Here's a weird clock question

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right, I'd forgotten about the "after it has been released" part, but I'm not sure about the "legally" part; unless it's new. I'll check my book when I get in the car.

5-9-4: "If play is resumed by a throw-in, the clock shall be started when the
ball touches, or is legally touched by, a player on the court after it is released by
the thrower."

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

A1 is to inbound following a violation on team B. The clock is stopped. A1 holds the ball over the line and it is grabbed by B1, forcing a jump ball.

How can this be a jump ball if one player is OOB?

Originally Posted by mbyron

5-9-4: "If play is resumed by a throw-in, the clock shall be started when the ball touches, or is legally touched by, a player on the court after it is released by the thrower."

In the OP it is stated that A1 still has possession of the ball OOB when B1 creates the "jump ball". A1 never releases the ball & is still OOB, so how can the clock be started?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How can this be a jump ball if one player is OOB?

Because that's the rule. Would call would you suggest?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Because that's the rule. Would call would you suggest?

All I was doing was asking a question as to why the call is what it is.

How I understand rules/regulations, this would be a Defensive throw-in violation as the offense is unable to complete the throw-in. However, show me the rule & case book play that shows otherwise, & my thinking will change.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How I understand rules/regulations, this would be a Defensive throw-in violation as the offense is unable to complete the throw-in. However, show me the rule & case book play that shows otherwise, & my thinking will change.

You're making up rules. Of course the defense is trying to prevent the offense from completing a throw-in -- no rule prohibits that.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You're making up rules. Of course the defense is trying to prevent the offense from completing a throw-in -- no rule prohibits that.

by B1 grabbing the ball and preventing A1 from completing the throw-in while A1 still has the ball is not a violation?

mbyron, I also asked that be shown the rule &/or case book play that says otherwise, which you did not do.

How about 9-2-10?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

by B1 grabbing the ball and preventing A1 from completing the throw-in while A1 still has the ball is not a violation?

mbyron, I also asked that be shown the rule &/or case book play that says otherwise, which you did not do.

How about 9-2-10?

Read the OP again. A1 extended the ball over the line, iow, out over the inbounds area.

Now tell us how 9-2-10 applies.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

All I was doing was asking a question as to why the call is what it is.

How I understand rules/regulations, this would be a Defensive throw-in violation as the offense is unable to complete the throw-in. However, show me the rule & case book play that shows otherwise, & my thinking will change.

You need to show me a rule that says it's a violation for the defense to prevent the offense from completing a throwin.

[chseagle]

The defensive player crosses the plane such as 7-6-4

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You need to show me a rule that says it's a violation for the defense to prevent the offense from completing a throwin.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The defensive player crosses the plane such as 7-6-4

The player breaking the plane is the violation. It has nothing to do with completing the throw-in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The defensive player crosses the plane such as 7-6-4

Um, no. The thrower held the ball over the plane in-bounds. The defender grabbed the ball on the in-bounds side of the plane. At NO time, did the defender cross the plane out-of-bounds. That's why it's a legal play.

You don't have a friggin' clue whatinthehell you're talking about. And that includes when and why to start the clock. If you don't understand what we're talking about, by all means ask questions until you do. But DO NOT try to tell us what to do. Quite simply, you do not have the rules knowledge to be doing something like that.

Just a suggestion from the kinder, gentler JR.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

5-9-4: "If play is resumed by a throw-in, the clock shall be started when the
ball touches, or is legally touched by, a player on the court after it is released by
the thrower."

Saw that, thanks. I also see it was the same last year. I wonder if it's changed, as I recall a dilemma on this play but don't see it now.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Saw that, thanks. I also see it was the same last year. I wonder if it's changed, as I recall a dilemma on this play but don't see it now.

Perhaps you are confusing this with a previous discussion about a kicked inbounds pass? In that case the throw-in has been released. Or I would hope it has been.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Perhaps you are confusing this with a previous discussion about a kicked inbounds pass? In that case the throw-in has been released. Or I would hope it has been.

I was thinking that, to be honest, but the way the rule reads even that wouldn't start the clock.