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[tref]

A5 has the ball for a throw-in, up 66-64 with 9 seconds remaining.
B1 bear hugs A1 prior to the throw-in ending. How do you handle that?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

A5 has the ball for a throw-in, up 66-64 with 9 seconds remaining.
B1 bear hugs A1 prior to the throw-in ending. How do you handle that?

IP foul. 2 Shots and the ball for A. Also counts as the delay warning.

Oops -- my mistake. It's not a delay warning. I misread who was fouled.

[mbyron]

INT foul.

Yeah, what Bob said.

[tref]

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

I did make the unpopular, but correct call last night & one of my dearest friends & mentors told me, I would have the shortest college career in history if I go out there imposing myself on a great game

I own all 3 books & the rule is quite clear as to what should be called in this situation. But my friend (DI official) says I could have handled it differently.

Perhaps he was trying to prepare me for what is a common occurance in the particular leagues I'll be working...
But I honestly thought we couldn't go wrong if we simply call the rules as written. In the words of Vinnie Barbarino, "Im so confused"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

I did make the unpopular, but correct call last night & one of my dearest friends & mentors told me, I would have the shortest college career in history if I go out there imposing myself on a great game

I own all 3 books & the rule is quite clear as to what should be called in this situation. But my friend (DI official) says I could have handled it differently.

Perhaps he was trying to prepare me for what is a common occurance in the particular leagues I'll be working...
But I honestly thought we couldn't go wrong if we simply call the rules as written. In the words of Vinnie Barbarino, "Im so confused"

If you don't call an intentional in that sitiuation did your D1 friend explain what to tell your supervisor when A1's coach sends in the tape and wants an explanation as to why that is not a classic Intentional Foul?

How did your D1 friend say you should have "handled it differently"?

[tref]

Ignore or call a common foul...

Because all the fouls prior to that 1 were intentional too, as they were trying to stop the clock.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tref

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

In the pro game, I believe this is considered an Away-from-the-Play foul, essentially the same as the Intentional in HS/NCAA.

I did make the unpopular, but correct call last night & one of my dearest friends & mentors told me, I would have the shortest college career in history if I go out there imposing myself on a great game

I own all 3 books & the rule is quite clear as to what should be called in this situation.

Not only is it clear in the books, but it was part of the pre-season video from John Adams. Talk to your supervisor, but it's pretty clear that the higher-ups expect this to be an intentional foul.

If it were not quite so blatant as a bear-hug, you might be able to call a common foul. (Maybe he just held him as he was trying to break to the ball, or they got their arms all tangled up.) But with a bear hug when the throw-in hasn't even ended yet is too obvious to call a common foul, IMHO, whether it's HS or, yes, even NCAA.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by tref

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

In the NBA this would be an away-from-the-play foul. 2 shots to any of the 5 offensive players in the game, ball on the side to Team A

[APG]

Originally Posted by CLH

In the NBA this would be an away-from-the-play foul. 2 shots to any of the 5 offensive players in the game, ball on the side to Team A

Almost...it would be one free throw instead of two unless the foul was a flagrant foul.

Like JR has suggested, get direction from an evaluator or assigner if you are not sure. Nothing like getting guidance straight from the horse's mouth.

[tref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Like JR has suggested, get direction from an evaluator or assigner if you are not sure. Nothing like getting guidance straight from the horse's mouth.

Im quite sure what the book says to do at every level of play. The word "shall" means do it, the word "may" means we have options.

I thought Mr. Adams wanted the game to be called as the rules were written?
How could an assignor say anything different? If rule support doesnt back up that decision in an assignors eyes, perhaps that is not the right league for me. Guess I'll worry about it when/if it comes up in the real world.

[CLH]

[QUOTE=AllPurposeGamer;699318]Almost...it would be one free throw instead of two unless the foul was a flagrant foul.QUOTE]

doesn't it make you mad when you have something in your head and your hands dont do what you tell them! lol

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

This is what you guys would call at any level (HS, NCAA, Pro) regardless of time & score?

I did make the unpopular, but correct call last night & one of my dearest friends & mentors told me, I would have the shortest college career in history if I go out there imposing myself on a great game

I own all 3 books & the rule is quite clear as to what should be called in this situation. But my friend (DI official) says I could have handled it differently.

Perhaps he was trying to prepare me for what is a common occurance in the particular leagues I'll be working...
But I honestly thought we couldn't go wrong if we simply call the rules as written. In the words of Vinnie Barbarino, "Im so confused"

You need to talk to your league supervisor/evaluator/training officer, not your mentor. Get your direction from the person responsible for direction. It's that simple.

[Raymond]

Do any of these sage mentors (this thread and the elbow thread) not realize that coaches watch the preseason videos also?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You need to talk to your league supervisor/evaluator/training officer, not your mentor. Get your direction from the person responsible for direction. It's that simple.

Absoutely JR! For the record, this was a mens wreck game & my guy was working on the court next to me. I didn't ask his opinion on this play, he kinda brought it to me.

[biggravy]

Wreck ball? Your "D1" mentor is telling you this during wreck ball? Pffft. INT foul and I don't even think twice about it.