Bench Technical or not

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

From what I've noticed during the Varsity games is that when the AC comes over to the table, he's doing it by himself, without the HC asking him to, then relaying what he's seen to the HC. Majority of the time he does it is during live ball situations.

That's a problem if he's doing it while the ball is in play. One warning, that's it.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Like I stated in an earlier post, the way the coaching/statistician is setup, the ACs are extra bench personnel there as bench warmers (except during timeouts), as advisers to the HC. The statisticians are students/lower level players that sit behind the team bench with a computer/clipboard.

I know, my point is that as an official, I neither know nor care to know how each school structures their team. I've seen coaches "look" younger than some of the players, so I wouldn't think twice about whether a person looks like a coach or a student or a manager or a statastician.

Originally Posted by chseagle

The HC, throughout the game, when there is a lull in the action asks the Scorer about the player fouls by staying within the coaching box, so really there is no need for the AC to leave to the bench area to obtain information that the HC has asked for.

Generally the scorer is in constant communication with the HC concerning the fouls, that there are times the HC does not even need to ask.

This is how I normally see it done. I expect your head coach will thank you and proceed to do things as he always has.

I will add this; there's nothing in the rules that prevents an AC from being the statistician/manager.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I will add this; there's nothing in the rules that prevents an AC from being the statistician/manager.

I know there's nothing in the rules that prevents an AC from being a statistician or manager.

However, if there are students or others acting in the capacity of statistician &/or manager, besides a member of the coaching staff, does that not mean that the AC is disqualified to approach the table?

I know when I was the Boys' Manager, I was given all the duties of the manager during games & the ACs were just there to assist the HC with calling plays. However when I was manager, never was I asked to approach the table as the HC was in constant communication with the table or if his attention was elsewhere one of the ACs would relay the information to him from the table via audio communication from the table.

Of course each school/team does things a bit differently, as well as the views of each floor official is different, as I learned last night.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I know there's nothing in the rules that prevents an AC from being a statistician or manager.

However, if there are students or others acting in the capacity of statistician &/or manager, besides a member of the coaching staff, does that not mean that the AC is disqualified to approach the table?

Nowhere in the rules is the statistician or manager defined; this means, in my game, anyone inquiring about stats is a statistician (except the HC). Also, nowhere in the rules does it say only one person can hold the position.

Again, asking about stats is one thing. Hovering over the table is another.

Doing it during a timeout or intermission is one thing; doing it during live play is another.

[Adam]

Further thoughts. Case plays generally, unless otherwise noted, correspond with the rule number. Case 10.5.1C, for example, should correspond with rule 10-5, which is about the Head Coach. I'm gonna cogitate on that a bit this evening.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm gonna cogitate on that a bit this evening.

Be sure to quit before you go blind.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Be sure to quit before you go blind.

Stopped when I needed glasses.

[Adam]

The more I think about it, the more I think this case play is intended to apply to the Head Coach (the only coach acknowledged by the rules) only.