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And he made it clear it was OUR responsibility to be aware of what the bench personnel are doing. His statement was bascially "How do all 3 officials not not know WTF is happening on the sidelines?"
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Nip it in the bud but put the onus on the person who's supposed to control the bench. If that doesn't work, oh well, he's been warned. As BJ said, manage the situation. |
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If it is a "coach", they can't.....they're not restricted "to the bench" during those times, but they don't get access to the table.. If it is a manager/statistician, they can. But, who is a manager/statistician? I know several teams where an adult i(asst. coach) s the keeping stats...are they a coach or statistician?
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Doesn't help with the NF rule however in the FIBA game, by rule, the AC is premmitted to go to the score table to obtain statistical information (only) during a dead ball and the game clock is stopped. The OP had asked "...what can the official scorer &/or timer do (if anything) to cease this activity?" The answer is... not much. You can be professional and ask that the AC stay in their team bench area and inform the officiating crew that there is an issue and let the crew deal with it. |
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When not doing the scorebook for both varsity teams I do the stats for our JV Girls team. I track the fouls on my stat sheet.Plus all of the scorers (mostly adults for Varsity and students for JV) here have the knowledge beforehand to tell a coach when a kid has 2,3,4,and 5 fouls (disqualification) making such a practice unecessary.
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From what I've noticed during the Varsity games is that when the AC comes over to the table, he's doing it by himself, without the HC asking him to, then relaying what he's seen to the HC. Majority of the time he does it is during live ball situations.
Like I stated in an earlier post, the way the coaching/statistician is setup, the ACs are extra bench personnel there as bench warmers (except during timeouts), as advisers to the HC. The statisticians are students/lower level players that sit behind the team bench with a computer/clipboard. Both my wife & I are going to contact the HC & mention to him what we have learned & that it is a hinderance to the table that the AC is coming over looking at information that the statisticians are keeping track of. The HC, throughout the game, when there is a lull in the action asks the Scorer about the player fouls by staying within the coaching box, so really there is no need for the AC to leave to the bench area to obtain information that the HC has asked for. Generally the scorer is in constant communication with the HC concerning the fouls, that there are times the HC does not even need to ask.
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I will add this; there's nothing in the rules that prevents an AC from being the statistician/manager.
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Polite. Well mannered. Wait a minute? What have you done with the real Jurassic Referee and how much ransom do we have to pay for you to keep him?
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However, if there are students or others acting in the capacity of statistician &/or manager, besides a member of the coaching staff, does that not mean that the AC is disqualified to approach the table? I know when I was the Boys' Manager, I was given all the duties of the manager during games & the ACs were just there to assist the HC with calling plays. However when I was manager, never was I asked to approach the table as the HC was in constant communication with the table or if his attention was elsewhere one of the ACs would relay the information to him from the table via audio communication from the table. Of course each school/team does things a bit differently, as well as the views of each floor official is different, as I learned last night.
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Again, asking about stats is one thing. Hovering over the table is another. Doing it during a timeout or intermission is one thing; doing it during live play is another.
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Further thoughts. Case plays generally, unless otherwise noted, correspond with the rule number. Case 10.5.1C, for example, should correspond with rule 10-5, which is about the Head Coach. I'm gonna cogitate on that a bit this evening.
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Please be sure to report back on how he took the news. Btw, does the little woman also have her own taser? If not, Christmas is coming. Just saying...... |
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