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Double time-out
Read this in the 2010-2011 Basketball Rules Interpretations on NFHS.org:
SITUATION 5: Team A scores a field goal. A1 requests a time-out from the lead official at the exact same time that the head coach from Team B requests a time-out from the trail official. RULING: Both teams are charged a time-out. If both request a 30-second time-out, the time-out duration shall be 30 seconds. If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the duration shall be 60 seconds. Once a time-out is requested and granted, it shall not be revoked. (5-8-3b) How often does this actually happen? This is something I have not seen yet.
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Exact same time? Both timeout requests haapen at the same exact moment? One happened first...
I want to be in Vegas with the odds that two officials hear time out the exact same time and both blow their whistles exactly the same time... One happened before the other....Communicate and figure it out...and this ruling does not apply |
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How often does it happen? Try never. Put this in the same category of call frequency as a multiple foul. It may be the rule, but will never be called.
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You have 2 opposing coaches trying to call a time out at the same time. Why would you just make an arbitrary choice and give one coach an unfair advantage by charging his opponent with the TO and not him? Do you really think that's the purpose and intent of ANY rule? |
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I think most officials would view this exactly like they'd view a multiple foul. There's the rule and a case book play clearly showing us how to handle it, but practical application means one person is getting charged with a foul, and one team will have their timeout recognized before the other team.
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Myself, I kinda like to follow the direction given in the front of the rule book...A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by rule." You're advocating giving one team an undeserved advantage by not charging them with a legal, requested timeout. But that's just me. Btw, what do tell the coach that asks why he got charged with a TO and his opposing coach didn't? That case play tells you how to handle a situation where you are not sure which coach called a TO first. The rulesmakers don't want you to pick one in a situation like that. If you are sure that one coach called a TO before the other, the case play does not apply. In that case, you just grant the first request and ignore the second. |
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Last One In Is A Rotten Egg ...
Amen.
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I still think that many officials would treat a situation like this like they would a multiple foul...it's in the rule book, there's a case book play for it, yet it's never going to be called. Same with a situation where a shooter gets hit on the arm, continues in the air, and a defender comes in late for a blocking foul. I know when I've asked the top officials in my association (many who also work all levels of college as well) how they'd handle these situations, they all told me to pick a foul and go with it. Technically, by rule, that would be arbitrarily picking one player vs the other, and potentially taking away free throws that a team, by rule, is entitled to.
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In the Scenario stated, it says to grant both timeouts at the same time, however if one is a 60 & the other the 30, you'd make the request granted a 60 yet the team that got the 30 granted still has used one of their 2 30-sec. TOs in the book. If you grant one a 60 & the other 30, & decide to grant both with the 60 first than the 30 (or vice versa), that would give undue advantage to both teams for an extended rest period, would it not? Or the one team could just sit during the other's timeout then conference during their time out, given a slight unfair advantage? Just trying to figure out the reasoning behind why this scenario decided to be brought up & the crazy solution behind it.
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No Blood, No Foul ...
Though not the case with two injured, or bleeding, opponents who wish to remain in the game at the expense of two timeouts.
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