NFHS 2010-11 Basketball Exam Questions

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In this case, I agree, not an advantage. A more conventional format, perhaps, would be like the one in our state. You log in, click start, and you have one hour to answer the 60 questions on the test. A person who felt the need to verify almost every question in the books could obviously benefit tremendously from having the questions in advance of the start of this one hour allotted time period.

I do not know if that is more conventional. From what I understand the majority of the country took the test in a similar fashion as we used to. We took the paper copy and took the test and submitted our answers over a period of time. The NF test is 100 questions, not 60 and we had to answer them all. Now if your state decided to come up with another method that is fine. But I do not believe that was similar to others across the country. And many states that did not take the NF test, created their own. My point is not everyone asking for a copy (like I would) has a nefarious reason to want a copy. I want a copy just to see what they are asking. Our state created their own and is not in a T/F format. So that test will do me no good except to learn what is being asked by the NF.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My point is not everyone asking for a copy (like I would) has a nefarious reason to want a copy.

I agree that not everyone asking for a copy has a nefarious reason. But I'm also sure that SOME of the people coming here for exam copies sureashell do have a nefarious reason. And if you post the exam, they WILL cheat and benefit from it.

I know of a few areas that have a closed-book, proctored and timed exam. Imagine the advantage that some of the people in those areas will have if they can get their cheating mitts on an early copy.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I agree that not everyone asking for a copy has a nefarious reason. But I'm also sure that SOME of the people coming here for exam copies sureashell do have a nefarious reason. And if you post the exam, they WILL cheat and benefit from it.

I know of a few areas that have a closed-book, proctored and timed exam. Imagine the advantage that some of the people in those areas will have if they can get their cheating mitts on an early copy.

As far as getting an advantage from cheating, how can this help you in a game? If you dont know the rules, cheat on the exam and then get in a game and misapply a rule, then shame on that person. Just my 2 cents.

[tref]

Originally Posted by irefu2

as far as getting an advantage from cheating, how can this help you in a game? If you dont know the rules, cheat on the exam and then get in a game and misapply a rule, then shame on that person. Just my 2 cents.

+1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

As far as getting an advantage from cheating, how can this help you in a game? If you dont know the rules, cheat on the exam and then get in a game and misapply a rule, then shame on that person. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by tref

+1

Because some assignors look at test scores to help rank their officials.

And if you don't know the rule and then misapply a rule, you've just brought your entire crew down.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because some assignors look at test scores to help rank their officials.

And if you don't know the rule and then misapply a rule, you've just brought your entire crew down.

I agree with that as well.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because some assignors look at test scores to help rank their officials.

And if you don't know the rule and then misapply a rule, you've just brought your entire crew down.

Yessirrrr!! My +1 was regarding, "then shame on that person."

At the same time, passing a written test HARDLY means you can officiate!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

At the same time, passing a written test HARDLY means you can officiate!

I dunno. You work volleyball?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by tref

At the same time, passing a written test HARDLY means you can officiate!

True - but flunking a written test means you probably can't officiate. Of course, then you could be a coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because some assignors look at test scores to help rank their officials.

I have yet to work any level and someone to ask what my test score is in any sport.

Peace

[just another ref]

I don't know how many would cheat to get it, but around here the main reason for wanting a higher test score is simple. $$$ Above 90%, certified, is one pay level. Above 80%, approved, is a few dollars per game less. Above 70%, registered, is a few dollars less than that.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have yet to work any level and someone to ask what my test score is in any sport.

Peace

It's not asked for, it's supplied automatically every Monday by the state to every association's commissioner.

You're system is not the same as our system. And, in fact, our by-laws do make some references to test scores. Our test is on-line and open book with at a 4 week period to finish it, so having the questions early is really a moot point around here. But it shows that it can come into play depending on what system you're involved in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

As far as getting an advantage from cheating, how can this help you in a game? If you dont know the rules, cheat on the exam and then get in a game and misapply a rule, then shame on that person. Just my 2 cents.

Agree, and that's exactly why I've been iterating and iterating that people that cheat on those tests are only cheating themselves. Or maybe cheating their partners or their association.

However, in some areas the test score is also used to assign classifications and/or help determine eligibity for state playoffs. Getting a higher test score could possible get you into a better classification or into the playoffs. Whether your actions will keep you there is a whole 'nother matter.

In my opinion, the idea of having these exams should be for us to improve ourselves as officials. The results should point out areas of the rules that we might be weak in, areas we can work on to get better. And I'm not talking about the crappy questions about logos or ball circumferences either. I'm talking about the nuts and bolts questions about situations we could actually run into.

[IREFU2]

Ahh....thats where floor evaluation come in as well. Trust me, if you dont know the rules it will show in one way or the other. Simply cheating on the test will catch up with whomever!