Association Dues

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're talking about 2 different fees here.

There is an assignor's fee (8-10%) that comes out of our game fees that the schools have nothing to do with.

You also have a fee that schools pay up front to the commissioner/assignor to assign their games for the season. In our association's case, that fee is very small, somthing like $25/school. That's a fee that has no effect on the officials.

Why does the assignor need two fees?
Is it ethical to double-dip and charge both sides for the same service?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I disagree. The schools are agreeing to pay a set fee for each game. What the association does with that money is none of their concern. The 8-10% we pay the commissioner out of our game fee is what we pay for the commissioner to negioate and secure those contracts/games for us. Now, I think 8-10% is too high but I don't think the commissioner should be assigning me games for free. He is essentially acting as my agent.

The upfront fee the schools pay to the assignor/commissioner is what they pay for the scheduling service the assignor/commissioner provides. As I have stated, it a nominal fee. I'm assuming is bascially an administrative fee to cover cost of doing the paperwork.

I believe that the problem is that the assignor/commissioner is not being strong enough in his dealings with the schools. He should not be accepting a nominal fee from them and then charging the game officials 8-10% in order to obtain enough compensation for his duties. That is not fighting for his officials. It is taking advantage of them.
I believe that your guy is doing it backwards.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why does the assignor need two fees?
Is it ethical to double-dip and charge both sides for the same service?


I believe that the problem is that the assignor/commissioner is not being strong enough in his dealings with the schools. He should not be accepting a nominal fee from them and then charging the game officials 8-10% in order to obtain enough compensation for his duties. That is not fighting for his officials. It is taking advantage of them.
I believe that your guy is doing it backwards.

The point you are missing is that all associations around here operate that way (which I have already stated once before in this thread). So you can quit blaming it on "one" guy. It the system that is used here.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The point you are missing is that all associations around here operate that way (which I have already stated once before in this thread). So you can quit blaming it on "one" guy. It the system that is used here.

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

Um what else is new?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

Perhaps you are warming to my thinking on this. I don't believe that is proper, especially if both sides aren't aware that the other is being charged and how much.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps you are warming to my thinking on this. I don't believe that is proper, especially if both sides aren't aware that the other is being charged and how much.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

While you make a valid point, just hear my argument.

I assign two sports and have 12 schools both jv and v teams.

I get my schedule about a month and a half prior to the season beginning.

I charge each school $75 to assign their games and get $7 per varsity official

and $5 per jv official. $14 a v game and $10 a jv game. The $75 covers

all the changes that occur during the season (weather is not taken into

consideration) Sometimes games are changed because their is a field trip

and team won't have enough players. My point is am I double dippin sure

but I am working for both sides.

Comments ????

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

While you make a valid point, just hear my argument.

I assign two sports and have 12 schools both jv and v teams.

I get my schedule about a month and a half prior to the season beginning.

I charge each school $75 to assign their games and get $7 per varsity official

and $5 per jv official. $14 a v game and $10 a jv game. The $75 covers

all the changes that occur during the season (weather is not taken into

consideration) Sometimes games are changed because their is a field trip

and team won't have enough players. My point is am I double dippin sure

but I am working for both sides.

Comments ????

Yeah, that's a lot of money going to you for each game.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yeah, that's a lot of money going to you for each game.

But do you think that it is fair ??

My association is getting you $67 a game.

I also charge you the assigner's fee after your second turnback.

Man's gotta make a living !!!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

But do you think that it is fair ??

My association is getting you $67 a game.

I also charge you the assigner's fee after your second turnback.

Man's gotta make a living !!!!!

Oh, I'm not judging whether it's fair or not.

Are there any penalties you have to pay for screw-ups? Sending too many officials to a game. Failing to assign a game. Failing to notify a crew when a game time has been changed. Assiging a game to someone on a closed date.

Not being critical, just asking.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

But do you think that it is fair ??

The concept of a "fair price" went out with the rise of capitalism, and survives today only in such quaint notions as "price gouging."

[Adam]

I've got no issue with what assigner's make. If you don't like it, create your own association and charge what you think is reasonable.