Association Dues

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ODJ

I object to the assigning fee coming out of my pocket. It should be a payment from the schools to the assigner for his service to furnish officials. It's usually 10%.

If a guy pays the fee and works one game, he's in the hole. If another works 50 games, he got a heckuva deal.

And most assignors eat the Arbiter fee as a business expense.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Whether you pay it to your assigner or it gets paid by the school doesn't really matter in the end. Either way, a portion of the schools negotiated check is going to your assigner.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If I'm an assignor, I really do not want a guy who is going to work one game. Too much overhead to deal with for that.

We're talking about 2 different fees here.

There is an assignor's fee (8-10%) that comes out of our game fees that the schools have nothing to do with.

You also have a fee that schools pay up front to the commissioner/assignor to assign their games for the season. In our association's case, that fee is very small, somthing like $25/school. That's a fee that has no effect on the officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're talking about 2 different fees here.

There is an assignor's fee (8-10%) that comes out of our game fees that the schools have nothing to do with.

You also have a fee that schools pay up front to the commissioner/assignor to assign their games for the season. In our association's case, that fee is very small, somthing like $25/school. That's a fee that has no effect on the officials.

I disagree. Both fees are negotiated, and it's the school's costs for the game. Whether they give it to you up front for you to pay the assigner or your directly to your assigner, the concept is the same.

Sort of like the payroll tax your employer pays to the government.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree. Both fees are negotiated, and it's the school's costs for the game. Whether they give it to you up front for you to pay the assigner or your directly to your assigner, the concept is the same.

Sort of like the payroll tax your employer pays to the government.

I disagree. The schools are agreeing to pay a set fee for each game. What the association does with that money is none of their concern. The 8-10% we pay the commissioner out of our game fee is what we pay for the commissioner to negioate and secure those contracts/games for us. Now, I think 8-10% is too high but I don't think the commissioner should be assigning me games for free. He is essentially acting as my agent.

The upfront fee the schools pay to the assignor/commissioner is what they pay for the scheduling service the assignor/commissioner provides. As I have stated, it a nominal fee. I'm assuming is bascially an administrative fee to cover cost of doing the paperwork.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I disagree. The schools are agreeing to pay a set fee for each game. What the association does with that money is none of their concern. The 8-10% we pay the commissioner out of our game fee is what we pay for the commissioner to negioate and secure those contracts/games for us. Now, I think 8-10% is too high but I don't think the commissioner should be assigning me games for free. He is essentially acting as my agent.

The upfront fee the schools pay to the assignor/commissioner is what they pay for the scheduling service the assignor/commissioner provides. As I have stated, it a nominal fee. I'm assuming is bascially an administrative fee to cover cost of doing the paperwork.

Some (my area) don't have the %; any fees get paid directly to the assigner. I think my old association was a flat rate of $3 per official, paid directly to the assigner by the school. I have no idea what my current assigner gets paid, largely because I really couldn't care less what other people make. It's all negotiated, and the school is going to look at the overall number. They don't care how it gets broken down.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're talking about 2 different fees here.

There is an assignor's fee (8-10%) that comes out of our game fees that the schools have nothing to do with.

You also have a fee that schools pay up front to the commissioner/assignor to assign their games for the season. In our association's case, that fee is very small, somthing like $25/school. That's a fee that has no effect on the officials.

Why does the assignor need two fees?
Is it ethical to double-dip and charge both sides for the same service?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I disagree. The schools are agreeing to pay a set fee for each game. What the association does with that money is none of their concern. The 8-10% we pay the commissioner out of our game fee is what we pay for the commissioner to negioate and secure those contracts/games for us. Now, I think 8-10% is too high but I don't think the commissioner should be assigning me games for free. He is essentially acting as my agent.

The upfront fee the schools pay to the assignor/commissioner is what they pay for the scheduling service the assignor/commissioner provides. As I have stated, it a nominal fee. I'm assuming is bascially an administrative fee to cover cost of doing the paperwork.

I believe that the problem is that the assignor/commissioner is not being strong enough in his dealings with the schools. He should not be accepting a nominal fee from them and then charging the game officials 8-10% in order to obtain enough compensation for his duties. That is not fighting for his officials. It is taking advantage of them.
I believe that your guy is doing it backwards.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why does the assignor need two fees?
Is it ethical to double-dip and charge both sides for the same service?


I believe that the problem is that the assignor/commissioner is not being strong enough in his dealings with the schools. He should not be accepting a nominal fee from them and then charging the game officials 8-10% in order to obtain enough compensation for his duties. That is not fighting for his officials. It is taking advantage of them.
I believe that your guy is doing it backwards.

The point you are missing is that all associations around here operate that way (which I have already stated once before in this thread). So you can quit blaming it on "one" guy. It the system that is used here.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The point you are missing is that all associations around here operate that way (which I have already stated once before in this thread). So you can quit blaming it on "one" guy. It the system that is used here.

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

Um what else is new?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

Perhaps you are warming to my thinking on this. I don't believe that is proper, especially if both sides aren't aware that the other is being charged and how much.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps you are warming to my thinking on this. I don't believe that is proper, especially if both sides aren't aware that the other is being charged and how much.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just got off the phone with my president. VHSL just held a leadership conference for all sports associations and school administrators this past weekend.

President says there are associations in VA who are charging a 4%/game booking fees to the schools AND still taking 8-10% from the officials.

While you make a valid point, just hear my argument.

I assign two sports and have 12 schools both jv and v teams.

I get my schedule about a month and a half prior to the season beginning.

I charge each school $75 to assign their games and get $7 per varsity official

and $5 per jv official. $14 a v game and $10 a jv game. The $75 covers

all the changes that occur during the season (weather is not taken into

consideration) Sometimes games are changed because their is a field trip

and team won't have enough players. My point is am I double dippin sure

but I am working for both sides.

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