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Old Mon Sep 20, 2010, 10:14am
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This goes against common sense to me. If I'm about to put the ball in play beside the table and there are subs I'm not going to expect someone 45 feet away to call the subs in and possibly blow the whistle for the subs.

What if I call a non-shooting foul from the trail table side - with the spot table side - and there are subs waiting? I'm going to look right at the table, report, and then ignore the subs because my partner is bringing them in from the lead or center? I'm looking at the table and now my partner is looking at the table (two man) while nobody is focused on the players; it takes a split second for something bad to happen. Nah, whistle or not whistle, ball or no ball, the official closest to the table will handle the subs in Southern Nevada.
I don't really see this as such a big deal. We all take a quick glance at the table. I can bring in subs from the C without taking my eyes off the court.

However, I have the current disadvantage of not having worked (with the exception of 2 camps) since March, so I'll have to think some more on this. I don't remember any confusion on sub situations, though, and I'm pretty sure we simply don't bring subs in when we have the ball. I'll have to talk to one of my regular partners about this tonight when we head to the Brewers game.
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I am with Tommy on this issue. Not sure why if I am standing by the table with the ball I cannot notice the subs. But that does not mean I will not miss one or two depending on the situation. Then again if that is how you do it Rich then I can see how that is what you think is best. Just not something I would be used to.

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I don't really see this as such a big deal. We all take a quick glance at the table. I can bring in subs from the C without taking my eyes off the court.

However, I have the current disadvantage of not having worked (with the exception of 2 camps) since March, so I'll have to think some more on this. I don't remember any confusion on sub situations, though, and I'm pretty sure we simply don't bring subs in when we have the ball. I'll have to talk to one of my regular partners about this tonight when we head to the Brewers game.
I doubt there is confusion since that is what you are used to, but if the trail is beside the table with the ball and the lead (two man) is all the way on the end line across from the table, the lead has no choice but to look past/through other players to bring the sub in. Why the trail, who is right there, can't use a normal voice and say, "Come in sub" is beyond me. The ball will not be put into play because the trail has it anyway.
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Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....
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Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....
This is a game managment issue. I like to tell the coaches during our meet and greet - "Have your players ready at the table. I don't want an ongoing parade."

I don't have a set rule, but put a stop to it fast.
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I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....
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This is a game management issue. I like to tell the coaches during our meet and greet, "Have your players ready at the table. I don't want an ongoing parade." I don't have a set rule, but put a stop to it fast.
From the IAABO Manual (Page 85): Substitution Procedures And Guidelines: 4. Substitution requests shall not be honored when the ball is about to become live.
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Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....
More tolerant than I used to be, although I'll whistle the subsequent subs in well before they reach the table to minimize the delay.
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I usually yell "SUB". If after the second yell they don't come in, I'll yell "HEY - I'M NOT ORDERING A SANDWICH HERE". That usually gets their attention.

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I usually yell "SUB".
Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?
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Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?
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Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?
I thought that saying was from "Down Periscope"

I'm rather fond of the saying "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead", myself
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Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?
No, it's what Ralph Kramden used to yell at Ed Norton. Oh wait, that was "BUS", which is "SUB" backwards.

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More tolerant than I used to be, although I'll whistle the subsequent subs in well before they reach the table to minimize the delay.
In that case, you might have the scorer yelling at you. I was taught as a scorer, not to allow players in the game until they are at the table in front of me & reported in the book.
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At which point I would get a new scorer as I was taught not to have the scorer yell at me
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At which point I would get a new scorer as I was taught not to have the scorer yell at me
However I rarely am scorer any more & have realized that at times the game gets fast paced, so to heck with that teaching.

I just make sure now that the player is recorded either as soon as at the table or while they're going onto the court.
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