Whistle for a sub?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'm pretty certain for 3 we do it exactly as you. I've been to a number of camps (HS and NCAAM) and the procedure there is exactly what I'm used to.

The guys I work with - we whistle in all subs. Like I said, in 2-person with the guys I work with, it's the one without the basketball that does this. If I'm standing trail with the ball tableside, the lead will be the one to get the sub with a whistle.

I'd be thrilled to work all 3-person, but the momentum for that has gone away with school funding being what it is.

Are you saying that you can have the ball and be right beside the table, but the lead official all the way down on the endline will blow his/her whistle to bring in a sub that is closer to you?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Are you saying that you can have the ball and be right beside the table, but the lead official all the way down on the endline will blow his/her whistle to bring in a sub that is closer to you?

Yes. The person without the ball handles subs and holds up the game until they're in / out. The person with the ball gets the thrower-in ready and waits for the subs to be completed.

If we're working 3-person and I'm the trail tableside administering a throw-in, the center opposite will get the subs.

Seriously - that's how all the people I work with here have done it.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, it's consistent.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Yes. The person without the ball handles subs and holds up the game until they're in / out. The person with the ball gets the thrower-in ready and waits for the subs to be completed.

If we're working 3-person and I'm the trail tableside administering a throw-in, the center opposite will get the subs.

Seriously - that's how all the people I work with here have done it.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, it's consistent.

This goes against common sense to me. If I'm about to put the ball in play beside the table and there are subs I'm not going to expect someone 45 feet away to call the subs in and possibly blow the whistle for the subs.

What if I call a non-shooting foul from the trail table side - with the spot table side - and there are subs waiting? I'm going to look right at the table, report, and then ignore the subs because my partner is bringing them in from the lead or center? I'm looking at the table and now my partner is looking at the table (two man) while nobody is focused on the players; it takes a split second for something bad to happen. Nah, whistle or not whistle, ball or no ball, the official closest to the table will handle the subs in Southern Nevada.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This goes against common sense to me. If I'm about to put the ball in play beside the table and there are subs I'm not going to expect someone 45 feet away to call the subs in and possibly blow the whistle for the subs.

What if I call a non-shooting foul from the trail table side - with the spot table side - and there are subs waiting? I'm going to look right at the table, report, and then ignore the subs because my partner is bringing them in from the lead or center? I'm looking at the table and now my partner is looking at the table (two man) while nobody is focused on the players; it takes a split second for something bad to happen. Nah, whistle or not whistle, ball or no ball, the official closest to the table will handle the subs in Southern Nevada.

I don't really see this as such a big deal. We all take a quick glance at the table. I can bring in subs from the C without taking my eyes off the court.

However, I have the current disadvantage of not having worked (with the exception of 2 camps) since March, so I'll have to think some more on this. I don't remember any confusion on sub situations, though, and I'm pretty sure we simply don't bring subs in when we have the ball. I'll have to talk to one of my regular partners about this tonight when we head to the Brewers game.

[JRutledge]

I am with Tommy on this issue. Not sure why if I am standing by the table with the ball I cannot notice the subs. But that does not mean I will not miss one or two depending on the situation. Then again if that is how you do it Rich then I can see how that is what you think is best. Just not something I would be used to.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I don't really see this as such a big deal. We all take a quick glance at the table. I can bring in subs from the C without taking my eyes off the court.

However, I have the current disadvantage of not having worked (with the exception of 2 camps) since March, so I'll have to think some more on this. I don't remember any confusion on sub situations, though, and I'm pretty sure we simply don't bring subs in when we have the ball. I'll have to talk to one of my regular partners about this tonight when we head to the Brewers game.

I doubt there is confusion since that is what you are used to, but if the trail is beside the table with the ball and the lead (two man) is all the way on the end line across from the table, the lead has no choice but to look past/through other players to bring the sub in. Why the trail, who is right there, can't use a normal voice and say, "Come in sub" is beyond me. The ball will not be put into play because the trail has it anyway.

[tomegun]

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

This is a game managment issue. I like to tell the coaches during our meet and greet - "Have your players ready at the table. I don't want an ongoing parade."

I don't have a set rule, but put a stop to it fast.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

More tolerant than I used to be, although I'll whistle the subsequent subs in well before they reach the table to minimize the delay.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

I've never gotten to the point where I deny a sub. But I do hate it when coaches do that.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

In cases like these I usually make a comment loud enough for the coaches to hear, and it usually works. Something along the lines of "Anyone else you want to send in or can those of us on the floor start the game again?" "Anyone else? The water's fine"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

I cut if off right there. A2 doesn't get in. Team A already made a substitution and Team B countered. We are certainly ready to play by now.
So A2 has to wait, unless there is an injury or some other oddity.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Are you saying that you can have the ball and be right beside the table, but the lead official all the way down on the endline will blow his/her whistle to bring in a sub that is closer to you?

Periodically, have I seen the official with the ball near the table call in subs. I've seen the official on the endline with the ball call in subs, although another official was closer to the table.