Summer Ball - all this fun and I get paid too?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

Originally Posted by mutantducky

...so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T...

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

I hear what you are saying about JR. However, I'd rather read something that demonstrates his experience level regarding a legit OP instead of watching him chop a guy off below the knees that he doesn't see fit to tolerate. And, it doesn't really matter if he thinks mutantducky should sit in the stands and cheer full time. That's why there's an "ignore" feature. It would probably be worth his time to utilize it instead of flaming.

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I hear what you are saying about JR. However, I'd rather read something that demonstrates his experience level regarding a legit OP instead of watching him chop a guy off below the knees that he doesn't see fit to tolerate. And, it doesn't really matter if he thinks mutantducky should sit in the stands and cheer full time. That's why there's an "ignore" feature. It would probably be worth his time to utilize it instead of flaming.

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

For the very reason you mentioned earlier - there are a number of people that read this forum without ever responding or participating, so there is a need to help distinguish the legitimate disagreements from the stuff that's simply not right. Our job is hard enough without having someone post ideas and actions that are clearly outside the norm of what is considered good officiating, and then have others pick up on those incorrect ideas and continue them, thinking that it must be ok because someone posted it on the forum.

JR's posts come from both a passion to get it right, as well as a bit of a discussion history with ducky. It may help on your end to be a little more aware of how the posts came about, and the history involved, rather than simply stepping in and dismissing them as coming from from some old guy that doesn't get it anymore. (Well, ok, I won't argue the point about him being old. Really old. So old that...oh, never mind. ) The communication in your posts seems to say that he should be ignored because the ducky one was correct, so that will earn you some comments in your direction. Take them or leave them.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by m&m guy

for the very reason you mentioned earlier - there are a number of people that read this forum without ever responding or participating, so there is a need to help distinguish the legitimate disagreements from the stuff that's simply not right. Our job is hard enough without having someone post ideas and actions that are clearly outside the norm of what is considered good officiating, and then have others pick up on those incorrect ideas and continue them, thinking that it must be ok because someone posted it on the forum.

Jr's posts come from both a passion to get it right, as well as a bit of a discussion history with ducky. It may help on your end to be a little more aware of how the posts came about, and the history involved, rather than simply stepping in and dismissing them as coming from from some old guy that doesn't get it anymore. (well, ok, i won't argue the point about him being old. Really old. So old that...oh, never mind. ) the communication in your posts seems to say that he should be ignored because the ducky one was correct, so that will earn you some comments in your direction. Take them or leave them.

hua :-)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

I could care less what mutantducky thinks about what I have to say. And I doubt very much if the Mutant will ever lose a second's sleep about anything that I have to say either. I do care though about the people who read what the Mutant is advocating and maybe mistakingly think that there is a possibility that there is some validity in his ramblings.

What it comes down to is that an official's most important attribute is and will always be his integrity. And a great part of our integrity is the dogma that we try to treat everybody the same, no matter our personal likes or dislikes. If we don't, then we become the Tim Donaghy's of the world.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I could care less what mutantducky thinks about what I have to say. And I doubt very much if the Mutant will ever lose a second's sleep about anything that I have to say either. I do care though about the people who read what the Mutant is advocating and maybe mistakingly think that there is a possibility that there is some validity in his ramblings.

No argument from me on that one. I'd only add that there are probably better ways to convince the lurking masses not to follow the Pied Ducky. Your way is effective, I'm sure. But, is looks crude.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What it comes down to is that an official's most important attribute is and will always be his integrity. And a great part of our integrity is the dogma that we try to treat everybody the same, no matter our personal likes or dislikes. If we don't, then we become the Tim Donaghy's of the world.

No argument there, either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'd only add that there are probably better ways to convince the lurking masses not to follow the Pied Ducky. Your way is effective, I'm sure. But, it looks crude.

Crude is sometimes effective. And don't mistake crude with blunt. And as I've already stated, I don't really think that the Mutant actually cares one iota about what I do or say anyway.

There are quite a few posters in this thread saying the exact same things that I'm saying, but maybe doing so a little nicer. But, those posters also have great credibility imo when it comes to officiating philosophies too. Hell, if they told me that I'm doing something wrong, I'd sureasheck start to question myself in a hurry.

The message is what is important, not the envelope that it comes in.

JMVO.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Crude is sometimes effective. And don't mistake crude with blunt. And as I've already stated, I don't really think that the Mutant actually cares one iota about what I do or say anyway.

There are quite a few posters in this thread saying the exact same things that I'm saying, but maybe doing so a little nicer. But, those posters also have great credibility imo when it comes to officiating philosophies too. Hell, if they told me that I'm doing something wrong, I'd sureasheck start to question myself in a hurry.

The message is what is important, not the envelope that it comes in.

JMVO.

Good points.

p.s. help me out...."Just My Veluptous Opinion"????

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The message is what is important, not the envelope that it comes in.

I wish that were true, sir.

I still have plenty to learn about the officiating world, but one thing that's universal is that being right isn't enough with some people. The reality is, sometimes, you have to know how to present it to be effective.

As someone once said to me, just because you're serving filet mignon doesn't mean you should serve it on a garbage can lid.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I wish that were true, sir.

I still have plenty to learn about the officiating world, but one thing that's universal is that being right isn't enough with some people. The reality is, sometimes, you have to know how to present it to be effective.

As someone once said to me, just because you're serving filet mignon doesn't mean you should serve it on a garbage can lid.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

Everyone has a different personality, approach to the game, perspective, background, etc.

That requires me as an official to choose how I communicate and handle people carefully - and often, differently.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bainsey

As someone once said to me, just because you're serving filet mignon doesn't mean you should serve it on a garbage can lid.

Are you kidding? My dog wouldn't care at all.