Summer Ball - all this fun and I get paid too?

[mutantducky]

good posts...

I rarely give out T's and only one to a coach and never to that one I mentioned. If I do give him a T it will be deserved but no there will not be a clean slate. Refs might let something slide the first game and give warnings but it adds up and no reason to let a coach continue his behavior. Some coaches and refs know each other and T's are no big deal because they respect each other(somewhat) but this coach is just a dick.
so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T but not with someone I've had issues with in the past.

Another thing. When I first started out I had other refs sometimes say "watch out for this coach", don't be afraid to give him a T" etc. I'd rather them not say anything and I'll be my own judge. So if I'm working with a partner who hasn't had the coach I'll keep my mouth shut and if I have the same coach I mentioned I won't bring up that incident but that's as far as my clean slate goes.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

...so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T...

Why the difference? Why is the action T-worthy for one individual, but not another for the exact same action?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T but not with someone I've had issues with in the past.

And that's exactly why you should be up in the stands yelling at the officials rather than being out on the floor masquerading as one.

You just don't get it.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that's exactly why you should be up in the stands yelling at the officials rather than being out on the floor masquerading as one.

You just don't get it.

mutantducky...If you haven't already blown off this comment, do so, and don't give it another thought.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

mutantducky...If you haven't already blown off this comment, do so, and don't give it another thought.

Why? Are you agreeing it's ok for mutantducky to sit in the stands and yell at other officials?

so much fun...and nightmare

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Why? Are you agreeing it's ok for mutantducky to sit in the stands and yell at other officials?

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

And you also think that it's "relatively benign" to advocate treating identical acts from different coaches completely differently depending on the past history of the individual coach? One act deserves a "T" because it came from a coach that gave you a hard time in the past.... but an identical act from a different coach is perfectly OK?

Methinks you also should be sitting beside the Mutant up in the stands. You're two of a kind ...and neither one of you gets it. Personally, I wouldn't want to share a court with either of you.

Real officials don't play favorites. And real officials actually do call it both ways.

JMRVO.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And you also think that it's "relatively benign" to advocate treating identical acts from different coaches completely differently depending on the past history of the individual coach? One act deserves a "T" because it came from a coach that gave you a hard time in the past.... but an identical act from a different coach is perfectly OK?

Methinks you also should be sitting beside the Mutant up in the stands. You're two of a kind ...and neither one of you gets it. Personally, I wouldn't want to share a court with either of you.

Real officials don't play favorites. And real officials actually do call it both ways.

JMRVO.

Actually, you don't "get it". Your attempts at being a dictator towards posters you don't even know are laughable. Who really knows, mutantducky might actually be a quack, but if your strong armed, alienating style on this forum is any reflection of your demeanor amongst your peers, then I'm surprised anyone other than the old codgers that have learned to put up with you would ever want to take the court with you.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

Originally Posted by mutantducky

...so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T...

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

I hear what you are saying about JR. However, I'd rather read something that demonstrates his experience level regarding a legit OP instead of watching him chop a guy off below the knees that he doesn't see fit to tolerate. And, it doesn't really matter if he thinks mutantducky should sit in the stands and cheer full time. That's why there's an "ignore" feature. It would probably be worth his time to utilize it instead of flaming.

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

mutantducky...If you haven't already blown off this comment, do so, and don't give it another thought.

And you very obviously don't get it either. Maybe you should be sitting up there with the Mutant yelling at the officials along with him.

Feel free to blow off these comments also without giving them another thought.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I might pass on a T but not with someone I've had issues with in the past.

JR tends to state things strongly but it's hard to argue with him here. Why is this any different than calling a personal foul on a player because he always fouled out "in the past."

Personally, if anything, I may be less likely to T a coach who has been a jerk in the past because I make a point of avoiding any interaction.

[Nevadaref]

I happen to agree with JR's sentiments in post #61. For mutantducky to write that he would treat two coaches who did "the exact same thing" differently is as unfair and wrong an action that an official could take in a game.

We constantly talk about treating both teams equally. Mutantducky very clearly wrote that he wouldn't do that. There is no place for that in officiating.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I happen to agree with JR's sentiments in post #61. For mutantducky to write that he would treat two coaches who did "the exact same thing" differently is as unfair and wrong an action that an official could take in a game.

We constantly talk about treating both teams equally. Mutantducky very clearly wrote that he wouldn't do that. There is no place for that in officiating.

Are you talking about in the same game or over time? I know that no two games are exactly the same and the calls needed in one game do not necessarily match those in another game. The same actions might elicit different responses depending on the scenario.

In different games, I very well may treat two coaches who did "the exact same thing" differently. I might even do it in the same game depending on the overall picture of events...not just based on the single action.

[Adam]

I agree with Camron when it comes to ABS stuff. I also agree somewhat with jar, in that I'm likely to attempt a little more preventative GM with a coach whom I've rung up before. Communicate with him earlier, most likely. It's more of a general growth approach for me, though; taking the Ts as learning experiences.