Summer Ball - all this fun and I get paid too?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Why? Are you agreeing it's ok for mutantducky to sit in the stands and yell at other officials?

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

And you also think that it's "relatively benign" to advocate treating identical acts from different coaches completely differently depending on the past history of the individual coach? One act deserves a "T" because it came from a coach that gave you a hard time in the past.... but an identical act from a different coach is perfectly OK?

Methinks you also should be sitting beside the Mutant up in the stands. You're two of a kind ...and neither one of you gets it. Personally, I wouldn't want to share a court with either of you.

Real officials don't play favorites. And real officials actually do call it both ways.

JMRVO.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And you also think that it's "relatively benign" to advocate treating identical acts from different coaches completely differently depending on the past history of the individual coach? One act deserves a "T" because it came from a coach that gave you a hard time in the past.... but an identical act from a different coach is perfectly OK?

Methinks you also should be sitting beside the Mutant up in the stands. You're two of a kind ...and neither one of you gets it. Personally, I wouldn't want to share a court with either of you.

Real officials don't play favorites. And real officials actually do call it both ways.

JMRVO.

Actually, you don't "get it". Your attempts at being a dictator towards posters you don't even know are laughable. Who really knows, mutantducky might actually be a quack, but if your strong armed, alienating style on this forum is any reflection of your demeanor amongst your peers, then I'm surprised anyone other than the old codgers that have learned to put up with you would ever want to take the court with you.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Actually, you don't "get it". Your attempts at being a dictator towards posters you don't even know are laughable. Who really knows, mutantducky might actually be a quack, but if your strong armed, alienating style on this forum is any reflection of your demeanor amongst your peers, then I'm surprised anyone other than the old codgers that have learned to put up with you would ever want to take the court with you.

Basketball officiating is not, above a certain level, about hugs and kisses. You run the game with confidence, or you're eaten alive. JR knows how to run a game smoothly. He doesn't need to know you. It's your prerogative not to get along with an alpha dog, but the content of what JR is telling you is, IMO, correct.

You know only the current, more nurturing JR -- you should have seen him back in the day!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Basketball officiating is not, above a certain level, about hugs and kisses. You run the game with confidence, or you're eaten alive. JR knows how to run a game smoothly. He doesn't need to know you. It's your prerogative not to get along with an alpha dog, but the content of what JR is telling you is, IMO, correct.

You know only the current, more nurturing JR -- you should have seen him back in the day!

I'm not talking about how he chooses to run a game. I'll take your word for it that he's a stallion. However, what I am talking about his inability to constructively discuss a topic on the internet with a fellow official - even if that fellow official might come off as a bit of a turd like ducky i.e. that link to his discussion about yelling at officials as a fan.

Heck, if JR is going to take the time to respond to mutantducky at all (he must see some value in it or he wouldn't 'waste his time'), then why not post something of value instead of raking the guy? If for no other reason than to help out lurkers (and we know there are plenty of those) that may be reading his posts for the first time and are genuinely interested in the thread up and to that point.

Instead, he shows his a$$.

Just ridiculous.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You run the game with confidence, or you're eaten alive.

Amen to this!

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What it comes down to is that an official's most important attribute is and will always be his integrity.

Double amen here! Preach it, brother! Can I get a "hell, yeah?"

Wait ... is this the "tent revival" forum?

M&M is right: consistency is incredibly important, regardless at which level you're fortunate enough to be calling. The higher up you go in officiating, the better being consistent serves you and the more closely it's scrutinized.

Regardless of your personal history with a coach or player, you'll find yourself miles and miles ahead by treating everyone the same ... which means like penalties for like actions.

[mutantducky]

I learned from the start here that some people will just throw hissy fits if you disagree with them so after a while I stopped caring what they thought. Even some posts from me and other posters that I thought were benign would result name calling.
Not a fan of total uniformity for refs which a few here seen to support. When I started officiating I saw refs rip into each other good-naturedly I think so yeah they are used to having thick skins but here not always on differences of opinions. I'm a ref and a FAN and I'll continue to be one and I won't be one of those dicks who yell and whine about all the calls.

But forums are about discussion and debate so eh, whatever. I try to learn here and have a little fun.

and to my critics the next time you hear booing from the stands that is from me. muhahahahahaha.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I learned from the start here that some people will just throw hissy fits if you disagree with them so after a while I stopped caring what they thought.

That has not been my experience at all.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I learned from the start here that some people will just throw hissy fits if you disagree with them

HEY - I resemble that remark.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Regardless of your personal history with a coach or player, you'll find yourself miles and miles ahead by treating everyone the same ... which means like penalties for like actions.

I believe in treating people with respect or the way you want to be treated, but not the same. We are all not the same so you should not be treated as such JMO.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I believe in treating people with respect or the way you want to be treated, but not the same. We are all not the same so you should not be treated as such JMO.

Peace

Are you talking about how you treat different coaches/players and/or people in general....or both?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

no, i'm only suggesting he blow off a ridiculous (and apparently venomous) directive from a fellow (anonymous) official (jurassic ref) to drop out of the fraternity for posting something relatively benign about his approach to handling coaches with technical fouls.

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

Originally Posted by mutantducky

...so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T...

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't think the following is "benign" at all:

The above, as stated, shows an obvious lack of consistency that every good official I know strives to avoid. That, along with the post telling about sitting in the stands and yelling at other officials (did you read that, by the way?), tells a lot of us that mutanyducky is a little lacking in the skills needed to become a good official.

Maybe the mutant mallard one was actually wanting to say what Camron Rust posted, about different situations in different games sometimes warrant different actions. Maybe the post about sitting in the stands was actually about being around a bunch of friends during the neighborhood driveway pickup game, and everyone was yucking it up. But that's not what was communicated, and communication is a big part of being a good official. So, either mutantducky is a poor communicator, or (s)he actually described what they did during actual games, which would also be the sign of an official that needs improvement.

Jurassic's post may have come across as a little blunt, but it usually comes as a result of many, many, many, many (ok, a lot of) years of experience, and he usually knows his stuff. Call it his version of tough love. But if his posts really bother you, how in the world can you handle an upset coach, especially one that happens to be right?

I hear what you are saying about JR. However, I'd rather read something that demonstrates his experience level regarding a legit OP instead of watching him chop a guy off below the knees that he doesn't see fit to tolerate. And, it doesn't really matter if he thinks mutantducky should sit in the stands and cheer full time. That's why there's an "ignore" feature. It would probably be worth his time to utilize it instead of flaming.

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I hear what you are saying about JR. However, I'd rather read something that demonstrates his experience level regarding a legit OP instead of watching him chop a guy off below the knees that he doesn't see fit to tolerate. And, it doesn't really matter if he thinks mutantducky should sit in the stands and cheer full time. That's why there's an "ignore" feature. It would probably be worth his time to utilize it instead of flaming.

If he doesn't care to associate or work with him, then why in the heck does he care to respond to his posts?

For the very reason you mentioned earlier - there are a number of people that read this forum without ever responding or participating, so there is a need to help distinguish the legitimate disagreements from the stuff that's simply not right. Our job is hard enough without having someone post ideas and actions that are clearly outside the norm of what is considered good officiating, and then have others pick up on those incorrect ideas and continue them, thinking that it must be ok because someone posted it on the forum.

JR's posts come from both a passion to get it right, as well as a bit of a discussion history with ducky. It may help on your end to be a little more aware of how the posts came about, and the history involved, rather than simply stepping in and dismissing them as coming from from some old guy that doesn't get it anymore. (Well, ok, I won't argue the point about him being old. Really old. So old that...oh, never mind. ) The communication in your posts seems to say that he should be ignored because the ducky one was correct, so that will earn you some comments in your direction. Take them or leave them.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by m&m guy

for the very reason you mentioned earlier - there are a number of people that read this forum without ever responding or participating, so there is a need to help distinguish the legitimate disagreements from the stuff that's simply not right. Our job is hard enough without having someone post ideas and actions that are clearly outside the norm of what is considered good officiating, and then have others pick up on those incorrect ideas and continue them, thinking that it must be ok because someone posted it on the forum.

Jr's posts come from both a passion to get it right, as well as a bit of a discussion history with ducky. It may help on your end to be a little more aware of how the posts came about, and the history involved, rather than simply stepping in and dismissing them as coming from from some old guy that doesn't get it anymore. (well, ok, i won't argue the point about him being old. Really old. So old that...oh, never mind. ) the communication in your posts seems to say that he should be ignored because the ducky one was correct, so that will earn you some comments in your direction. Take them or leave them.

hua :-)