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Agree. However, it nice to hear postive comments from a losing coach. I just don't let it go to my head.
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As officials, what we personally think of any participant in a game should never have any bearing on any call that we make or influence us to do something that we would normally not do in similar situations. It's human nature to maybe like or dislike someone for varying reasons, but that should never be a factor imo in anything that we do during a game. A comment like "going to enjoy T'ing him up" sends the wrong message to anyone that believes that officials should be neutral and have short memories. I've had good, level-headed coaches blow up at me when I screwed up a call at a critical point in a game. I deal with it and then forget it. There's no need ever to treat the dickhead coaches any differently imo. Fair's fair. |
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That's part of our job and we have to expect that from some of the people that we have to deal with.
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There is a coach in my state that me and him never seemed to get along. It all started in a summer basketball game and every time I had him after that things would get worse. And I would have this guy every year in a major tournament. Then because I worked in his conference, I would have him again during the season and in a tournament shootout. It was to the point where it was becoming a distraction to working the games. And I never gave this guy a T, but he would go around and tell people that I was trying to throw him out of games. He even told partners this during the game and I would have the fewest fouls and say almost nothing to him unless he had a question (which he never did, just whined the entire game). And one of the reasons I hate the stop sign is the interaction I had with this coach who I gave that sign to him and it did nothing but make the situation worse. Then this same coach confronted me off the court, in a hospitality room where my mom happened to be there and even media members were present. And you think I do not see this guy in games and think of him the same as if nothing happened? Not a chance. It was so bad or obvious, that it became a running joke in a small circle my relationship or lack there of with this coach. He has not let it go; you think I am going to just be like, "OK, clean slate." I might not hold a grudge, but I certainly am not going to be phony either. Quote:
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Concur, the slate is clean for the next game(s). But, I also don't forget a coach, team, player I might have had an issue/situation with previously.
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2) You looked for a possible better way to handle future confrontations. Sureashell nuthin' the matter with that. You didn't restrict yourself to "I'm gonna "T" his azz up as soon as he looks at me sideways." There's always different routes to the same destination, but that route shouldn't include looking for confrontation imo. As I said, just deal with what happens. |
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I think we all agree more than we disagree here.
There are coaches that we respect more so than others. That will always be the case. But, no-one is saying we sway our calls accordingly. To do so would be to work without integrity. However, if someone treats you unfairly, it's unrealistic to expect people to simply forget about it. My point was, while we should give people a "fresh start" each game, we simply can't expect others to do the same for us. Even our fellow board members have varying degrees of respect of us. Is that fair? Probably not, but the paradigm that everyone has a fresh start includes a caveat. Just because you're looking to treat others fairly doesn't mean that others will reciprocate. |
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A few years ago we had a very obnoxious coach who, after a serious injury to one of his players, who had been fouled, which was called, complained to me, and my partner, that some additional foul calls, previous to the injury, could have prevented the injury. He did this while both he, and his trainer, were attending to the injured player. We just moved further away from the "injury pow wow" to encourage the coach to just tend to his player. This was just a few minutes before halftime. During halftime my partner and I discussed the situation, and we both agreed that neither of us had charged a technical foul because both of us, independently, decided that a technical foul charged, in this particular situation, would have called attention away from the serious injury to the player. We both agreed that in the second half that the coach would have absolutely no leeway in terms of unsporting behavior. We left the locker room intent on charging a technical foul. First, and only time, in twenty-nine years, that I was "targeting" a coach. Wouldn't you know it, the coach didn't make a single complaint in the entire second half.
A missed chance. If something like this happens again, the technical will be charged, in a quiet manner, after the injured player is attended to. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, double shame on me.
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good posts...
I rarely give out T's and only one to a coach and never to that one I mentioned. If I do give him a T it will be deserved but no there will not be a clean slate. Refs might let something slide the first game and give warnings but it adds up and no reason to let a coach continue his behavior. Some coaches and refs know each other and T's are no big deal because they respect each other(somewhat) but this coach is just a dick. so if he doesn't show the refs respect then yeah I'll T him up. If another coach did the exact same thing but it is the first time I'm reffing one of his/her games I might pass on a T but not with someone I've had issues with in the past. Another thing. When I first started out I had other refs sometimes say "watch out for this coach", don't be afraid to give him a T" etc. I'd rather them not say anything and I'll be my own judge. So if I'm working with a partner who hasn't had the coach I'll keep my mouth shut and if I have the same coach I mentioned I won't bring up that incident but that's as far as my clean slate goes. |
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Why the difference? Why is the action T-worthy for one individual, but not another for the exact same action?
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