Summer Ball - all this fun and I get paid too?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

How I love when they say And 1, I had that twice last night. I told the kid next time I hear him say it, it will be an And 1...count the basket and we will have a technical on him. It got really quiet!

Why?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why?

attempting to influence an official's decision? I don't put up with "and one" from players either.

[Smitty]

Really? That's a stretch. Is it really 'T' worthy?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Really? That's a stretch. Is it really 'T' worthy?

What else do you think they're doing? They're trying to get you to call the foul. It's the same as players making the traveling signal. I'll ignore it a few times, depending whether they're looking at me when they do it. I usually don't see it often enough in one game to worry about it, but I'm not going to put up with it any longer than a coach's "three seconds" pleas.

[Smitty]

I don't know if it's worthy of a 'T' is all I'm saying. It's easy enough to ignore for me. It's just white noise. I suppose if every single shot someone was yelling it, I might have a chat with that kid, but that's an extreme example.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't know if it's worthy of a 'T' is all I'm saying. It's easy enough to ignore for me. It's just white noise. I suppose if every single shot someone was yelling it, I might have a chat with that kid, but that's an extreme example.

Right, and it's the extreme example you tend to see in summer ball or middle school ball, when johnny thinks he's Kobe Bryant or Ray Allen.

And I've never had to T for it, but I have made it clear that he/she needs to cut it out.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't know if it's worthy of a 'T' is all I'm saying. It's easy enough to ignore for me. It's just white noise. I suppose if every single shot someone was yelling it, I might have a chat with that kid, but that's an extreme example.

It also depends on the tone of voice that is used during the "AND 1" statement! At times it borders on unsporting behavior.

[mutantducky]

after one of my games. fairly casual game with about 10 fouls called on the losing team and 5 on the winning team.
losing coach--- "you did a great job"
losing and winning fans-- "nice game ref"
winning coach "you sucked"

me "huh" I think it was because his team nearly gave up a 10 point lead with a minute to go and they choked a few games last year in the 4th so probably brought back bad memories.
Well, see you in the regular season buddy. I think he had the most Techs last year. Going to enjoy T'ing him up.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Well, see you in the regular season buddy. I think he had the most Techs last year. Going to enjoy T'ing him up.

Lah me......

Real officials forget all about comments like that. Everybody starts fresh the next game.

You're in the wrong avocation, Mutant. You should have never crawled out of the stands.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

attempting to influence an official's decision? I don't put up with "and one" from players either.

Should players get Teed up for pointing in their direction on OOB violations that are bang bang ?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why?

I hate that AND 1 crap...basically I am just throwing out an idle threat...not really going to whack him. It did the trick!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I hate that AND 1 crap...basically I am just throwing out an idle threat...not really going to whack him. It did the trick!

There was an official around here named Jeff (unfortunately, he passed away a while back) who, the first time a coach or player would say "And 1", would reply loudly "Don't give me any of that 'And 1' crap". As far as I know, it always worked.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why?

Had one last night where A1 drives to the basket, B1 blocks the shot, no contact whatsoever, but as B2 recovers the ball and they head the other way, A1 turns to me and says, "You gotta call something!!" WHACK! Team A coach says, "How can you T him up for that, that was the first thing he has said all game?" This made me smile on the inside.

Point being, I put up with zero comments like this from players during summer ball. Just because their HS coach isn't there is no excuse for them to act disrespectful. I may not have T'd him if there was some contact that I deemed incidental, or if it wasn't specifically directed at me and said a little more quietly. As with the "And 1" stuff, you just cannot ignore it. Say something to nip it, or take care of it.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by AustinRef

As with the "And 1" stuff, you just cannot ignore it.

I can and I do. I've never had it get to the point where I had to say anything. Shrug.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I can and I do. I've never had it get to the point where I had to say anything. Shrug.

same here...it's really no big deal