OT: Taking sports too seriously

[Nevadaref]

Another one for JR to file in his "You can't make this s*#& up" folder.


June 17, 2010
S. African killed by wife, kids in TV spat


Associated Press

JOHANNESBURG -- Police say a South African man who wanted to watch a World Cup match instead of a religious program was beaten to death by his family in the northeastern part of the country.
David Makoeya, a 61-year-old man from the small village of Makweya, Limpopo province, fought with his wife and two children for the remote control on Sunday because he wanted to watch Germany play Australia in the World Cup. The others, however, wanted to watch a gospel show.
"He said, 'No, I want to watch soccer,'" police spokesman Mothemane Malefo said Thursday. "That is when the argument came about.
"In that argument, they started assaulting him."
Malefo said Makoeya got up to change the channel by hand after being refused the remote control and was attacked by his 68-year-old wife Francina and two children, 36-year-old son Collin and 23-year-old daughter Lebogang.
Malefo said he was not sure what the family used to kill Makoeya.
"It appears they banged his head against the wall," Malefo said. "They phoned the police only after he was badly injured, but by the time the police arrived the man was already dead."
All three were arrested Sunday night, but Lebogang was released on $200 bail Tuesday, Malefo said. The other two are still being held in custody.
Malefo said the mother and son will reappear in the local Seshego Magistrates Court on July 27.
"He was always a happy man, never violent," Makoeya's nieces, Miriam and Anna, told the Daily Sun newspaper. "On Saturday, we saw him the last time at a funeral."
The World Cup, being played in Africa for the first time, started Friday and runs through July 11.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

[mbyron]

As if we needed another reason not to watch futbol.

[grunewar]

While this story happened under very unusual circumstances, a Google Search shows unfortunately as we know, fans are more the problem. Sad:

Angry soccer fans kill goaltender. | SportsFilter
Jan 18, 2010 ... A teenage goalkeeper for Benin's national youth soccer team was killed by angry fans after a loss to Nigeria in a weekend match, ...

Iraqi Soccer Player Killed By Fan During Game-Tying Shot
Mar 16, 2009 ... BAGHDAD — Police say an Iraqi soccer player has been shot dead just as he was about to kick what could have been the tying goal in a weekend ...

Iraqi Goalie Killed in Victory Shooting - NYTimes.comMar 16, 2009 ... BAGHDAD — Victory celebrations at a soccer match in Iraq ended abruptly when a fan accidentally shot the winning goalie to death, ...

Colombian Soccer Player Kills Fan For Calling Him "Lousy"
Jul 5, 2009 ... A Colombian soccer player shot and killed a fan for calling him "lousy" on Sunday, days after the player's team lost a local championship, ...

Iraqi fan shoots soccer player dead
Jun 14, 2010 ... An Iraqi fan has shot dead a soccer player of the opposing team as he ... Iraqi footballer Heidar Kazem was shot in the head and killed by a fan...

Suspect arrested in Mexico in soccer killing - World Soccer ...
Jun 15, 2010 ... He is the third soccer player to be shot in the Mexican capital this year. ... death of a soccer player who was killed in an apparent robbery attempt ... Compete against soccer fans worldwide. Sign up for fantasy World

Soccer Player Salvador Cabanas Shot in Head in Mexican Bar ...Jan 25, 2010 ... Paraguayan soccer standout Salvador Cabanas is in serious condition ... Its upsetting because they dont think about his family or fans. ...

Unfortunately there were many, many more pages......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Another one for JR to file in his "You can't make this s*#& up" folder.


June 17, 2010
S. African killed by wife, kids in TV spat


Associated Press

JOHANNESBURG -- Police say a South African man who wanted to watch a World Cup match instead of a religious program was beaten to death by his family in the northeastern part of the country.
David Makoeya, a 61-year-old man from the small village of Makweya, Limpopo province, fought with his wife and two children for the remote control on Sunday because he wanted to watch Germany play Australia in the World Cup. The others, however, wanted to watch a gospel show.
"He said, 'No, I want to watch soccer,'" police spokesman Mothemane Malefo said Thursday. "That is when the argument came about.
"In that argument, they started assaulting him."
Malefo said Makoeya got up to change the channel by hand after being refused the remote control and was attacked by his 68-year-old wife Francina and two children, 36-year-old son Collin and 23-year-old daughter Lebogang.
Malefo said he was not sure what the family used to kill Makoeya.
"It appears they banged his head against the wall," Malefo said. "They phoned the police only after he was badly injured, but by the time the police arrived the man was already dead."
All three were arrested Sunday night, but Lebogang was released on $200 bail Tuesday, Malefo said. The other two are still being held in custody.
Malefo said the mother and son will reappear in the local Seshego Magistrates Court on July 27.
"He was always a happy man, never violent," Makoeya's nieces, Miriam and Anna, told the Daily Sun newspaper. "On Saturday, we saw him the last time at a funeral."
The World Cup, being played in Africa for the first time, started Friday and runs through July 11.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

Looks more like the family took their religion too seriously; or not seriously enough, depending on how you look at it.

[Jurassic Referee]

And also into the ol' folder goes this l'il gem.....

The Pittsburgh Pirates fired their racing pierogi for making critical remarks about their team management.

Pirates fire racing pierogi mascot for Facebook criticism - USATODAY.com

Oh, the humanity, the humanity........

Not to worry though. He's already been offered a job by a minor league team as a racing hot dog.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The Pittsburgh Pirates fired their racing pierogi for making critical remarks about their team management.

The Washington Nationals version of the races is the "Running of the Presidents" - Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington and Teddy Roosevelt. In "all the yrs" the Nats have been in DC, Teddy has never, ever run a race.

At Starsburg's first game against Pittsburgh, the Pierogi's joined the President's in the race between innings. As it came down to the end of the race one of the Pierogi's tackled another using a flying, shoulder to the gut tackle that would have made Lawrence Taylor proud (LT the football player, not the druggie). Great fun.

PS - many of us believe Teddy will win a race either the day the Nats wrap up a playoff spot or host their first playoff game......whenever that is. Run Teddy, run!

[Judtech]

If I were the defense attorney I would have my client plead Innocent by reason of insanity brought on by vuvuzelas! My client wouldn't even see the courtroom!
Violence and sport will always be intertwined, you can only hope to keep it under control. And if you actually have watched the World Cup games you will see several commercials for Sportsmanship (which are much better than the NCAA's) and severl displays of GOOD sportsmanship. Unfortunately, it is better to show the "flops" and Red Card fouls.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And also into the ol' folder goes this l'il gem.....

The Pittsburgh Pirates fired their racing pierogi for making critical remarks about their team management.

Pirates fire racing pierogi mascot for Facebook criticism - USATODAY.com

Oh, the humanity, the humanity........

Not to worry though. He's already been offered a job by a minor league team as a racing hot dog.

Juarassic - you'll probably sleep better tonight!

Pirates put pierogi back in the race

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Juarassic - you'll probably sleep better tonight!

Whew, it was like a death in my family.

Hell, the only reason to watch the Pirates is the Pierogi race.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hell, the only reason to watch the Pirates is the Pierogi race.

My in-laws are Pirates fans. We have a pool on the next player to be traded. My money is on Lastings Milledge.

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Another one for JR to file in his "You can't make this s*#& up" folder.


June 17, 2010
S. African killed by wife, kids in TV spat


Associated Press

JOHANNESBURG -- Police say a South African man who wanted to watch a World Cup match instead of a religious program was beaten to death by his family in the northeastern part of the country.
David Makoeya, a 61-year-old man from the small village of Makweya, Limpopo province, fought with his wife and two children for the remote control on Sunday because he wanted to watch Germany play Australia in the World Cup. The others, however, wanted to watch a gospel show.
"He said, 'No, I want to watch soccer,'" police spokesman Mothemane Malefo said Thursday. "That is when the argument came about.
"In that argument, they started assaulting him."
Malefo said Makoeya got up to change the channel by hand after being refused the remote control and was attacked by his 68-year-old wife Francina and two children, 36-year-old son Collin and 23-year-old daughter Lebogang.
Malefo said he was not sure what the family used to kill Makoeya.
"It appears they banged his head against the wall," Malefo said. "They phoned the police only after he was badly injured, but by the time the police arrived the man was already dead."
All three were arrested Sunday night, but Lebogang was released on $200 bail Tuesday, Malefo said. The other two are still being held in custody.
Malefo said the mother and son will reappear in the local Seshego Magistrates Court on July 27.
"He was always a happy man, never violent," Makoeya's nieces, Miriam and Anna, told the Daily Sun newspaper. "On Saturday, we saw him the last time at a funeral."
The World Cup, being played in Africa for the first time, started Friday and runs through July 11.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

I know it's a hopeless battle, but I must nevertheless request that you respect fair-use doctrines and not copy-and-paste entire works to this or any other forum.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jbduke

I know it's a hopeless battle, but I must nevertheless request that you respect fair-use doctrines and not copy-and-paste entire works to this or any other forum.

Or what?

You'll sic your beloved Coach K on him?

If there was a problem, the mods would have taken care of it.

Don't take yourself too seriously, Dookie. We don't.

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or what?

You'll sic your beloved Coach K on him?

If there was a problem, the mods would have taken care of it.

Don't take yourself too seriously, Dookie. We don't.

What I take seriously is that when you do what the OP did, you're stealing. I'm guessing that IP has never constituted a significant source of income for you. If it had, methinks you'd take this issue a little more seriously.

Nice to see that your commitment to enforcing rules is unwavering. And as for the mods, the fact that they have failed to address this issue after repeated requests to do so doesn't make their lax attitude about it acceptable.

You don't see what's so damn hard about using clear, concise officiating terminology (I don't either). And I don't see what's so damn hard about posting a link so that the people that are paying for a writer's work can get their deserved clicks. This forum didn't pay anything for that story or any other, so the owners here shouldn't get to have eyeballs on this URL while people read others' copyrighted work. It's not hard.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jbduke

What I take seriously is that when you do what the OP did, you're stealing. I'm guessing that IP has never constituted a significant source of income for you. If it had, methinks you'd take this issue a little more seriously.

Nice to see that your commitment to enforcing rules is unwavering. And as for the mods, the fact that they have failed to address this issue after repeated requests to do so doesn't make their lax attitude about it acceptable.

You don't see what's so damn hard about using clear, concise officiating terminology (I don't either). And I don't see what's so damn hard about posting a link so that the people that are paying for a writer's work can get their deserved clicks. This forum didn't pay anything for that story or any other, so the owners here shouldn't get to have eyeballs on this URL while people read others' copyrighted work. It's not hard.

Aw geeze, Dookie, they couldn't pull a needle out of your azz with a tractor. Please never change. You're a hoot.


Oh, and btw.....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jbduke

I know it's a hopeless battle, but I must nevertheless request that you respect fair-use doctrines and not copy-and-paste entire works to this or any other forum.

Since I'm not in the mass media business, perhaps I don't understand exactly how this works and the crux of your complaint. Maybe you can enlighten me.

As you can clearly see, the story which I posted does not have a named author rather it comes from the Associated Press. I did some checking into what that is. Here is what I found:

FAQs | The Associated Press

2. Who owns The Associated Press?
The Associated Press is a not-for-profit cooperative, which means it is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.

5. How can I become a member of The Associated Press and receive AP services?
If you are a newspaper, radio or television station, you can become a member of the AP cooperative.

6. How do I get permission to reprint an AP story or photo?
All requests for republication of AP material must be in writing, clearly stating the purpose and manner in which the copy will be used. All republished material must carry AP credit. Unless specifically noted otherwise, all permission is given for one-time use only. No political candidate, political party, political action committee, polemical organization, or any group formed for partisan purpose may use AP copy in any publication. There may be a fee for reprint use. For permission to reprint an AP story or to use AP material in online/electronic
form:
E-mail AP Digital: [email protected], or fax 212-621-5488.

8. How can I get a copy of an AP story or photo?
AP stories are available on Lexis/Nexis at your local library.

So while I don't fully understand their business model, apparently, I was not harming any individual writer by posting the story as to my knowledge no one in particular claims AP works. Personally, I've never seen a by-line on an AP story.

The group is not out to make money as it is a not-for-profit cooperative. Obviously, the writers have to make some money for their efforts, but how that works and how much is a mystery to me.

I couldn't become a member of the AP if I wanted to as only newspapers, TV stations, and radio stations may do so.

In republishing the material as hundreds of media sources routinely do, I did include the AP credit as is asked.

If one writes to them and asks for permission to reprint one of there stories, it seems unlikely that they will want a fee. Their posted information clearly states that there may be a fee, not that there is one!

All of their stories are available for nothing at any public library, so what possible harm is it to post one on this internet forum in order to share it with other readers? It seems to me that the AP freely distributes their news through our public libraries anyway.

You make a very strong statement that my OP constitutes stealing. Now I challenge you to support that.
Are you contending that if I or anyone else went to my local public library to read this story that I would somehow have to pay for it? If the library pays a fee to the AP make their material available haven't my tax dollars paid for it whether I go there or not?

I see that you think that certain entities carrying these stories deserve "clicks" on their sites. So is the business model of the AP to create content, sell that content to distributors, then have the distributors post it along with advertising which is purchased from them so that when a reader goes to that distributors to read the content they also view the ads? Is this how the AP writers make their salaries? Are they creators of content to be packaged and sold with advertising? If you are worried about the distributors getting their due, I can't sympathize with that. They seem to simply be middlemen who have created a closed monopoly. They set up a system from which only they have access to purchasing the content and then hope to turn around and sell this access to it for an even greater amount. What about that makes them deserving of anything? They didn't create squat.
Of course, the above is only the case for private distributors, but what about the public ones such as the libraries? They don't sell advertising or even membership. All of their funding comes from tax dollars. If the AP sells its content to them, didn't I actually pay for it with my tax contribution? So I'm not depriving those hard-working newsgatherers of any revenue. It's only debatable if I am depriving those in the carefully crafted distribution network of supporting numbers used to market themselves to advertisers.
While it is true that this site didn't pay the AP for the story, it isn't known as, nor does it depict itself as, a place where people can come to consistently read AP material. Posting an occasional story from them isn't going to circumvent the normal distribution model nor hurt the AP's revenue stream.
I think that I will write to the AP and ask them some of these questions in order to better understand what they do and how the do it. Until I learn otherwise, I think that your claims are nothing more than hyperbole.

BTW you contacted Duke University and obtained permission and of course paid for the ability to include their name in your screen handle, right?