"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I also indicated my speed to spots probably decreased over the course of the day, but my effort did not decrease.

I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

I did not know that. That's pretty cool. Officiating can be a bit of a fraternity. Part of the fun.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are.

You're making stuff up again. Never said I was doing anything perfectly. In fact, I said I'm always trying to get better, which clearly implies I know I'm not perfect.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.

Again, I've never claimed to be perfect...only strive to do the best job I can. Mistakes are inevitable.

And, I'd love to have you evaluate me and give needed criticism. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You're making stuff up again. Never said I was doing anything perfectly. In fact, I said I'm always trying to get better, which clearly implies I know I'm not perfect.

When your criticism of other officials is that they do not switch during dead balls and do things like bump and run during summer ball that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should. Then you have had people that suggested while working multiple games that was somewhat unrealistic. Then you snapped back at everyone and said you did not slow down a bit. If that is not implying you are perfect I do not know what is. Even during a real game I would expect some lapses in those things you claim you do all the time. For one I know that I might not bump and run because my partners and I make a mistake as to where we are to go. It is not always an issue of hustle.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Again, I've never claimed to be perfect...only strive to do the best job I can. Mistakes are inevitable.

And, I'd love to have you evaluate me and give needed criticism. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

In my circles you would be the "yeah but" guy. The guy that we would tell you something and you would insist there was a reason for your mistake.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by rsl

By my math, 2 on 1 off format leads to an 11 hour day. I cannot even sit at my desk and work for 11 hours straight without a loss of mental concentration.

Add me to the list of those with at least suspended disbelief.

read the thread....here's what i posted earlier:

Originally Posted by DLH17

20 min halves...running clock, except last 2 mins of each half. clock runs when lead hits 15 pts. standard mayb stuff. 3 gyms in separate bldgs on the same campus were used.

saturday sched: 10a/11a on, 12p off, 1p/2p on, 3p off, 4p/5p on, 6 off, 7p/8p on

sunday sched: 10a/11a on, 12p off, 1p/2p on, 3p off, 4p/5p/6p on

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When your criticism of other officials is that they do not switch during dead balls and do things like bump and run during summer ball that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should. Then you have had people that suggested while working multiple games that was somewhat unrealistic. Then you snapped back at everyone and said you did not slow down a bit. If that is not implying you are perfect I do not know what is. Even during a real game I would expect some lapses in those things you claim you do all the time. For one I know that I might not bump and run because my partners and I make a mistake as to where we are to go. It is not always an issue of hustle.

All I can say is, you inferred incorrectly. I'm far from perfect. But def want to get better instead of becoming stagnant or indifferent.

I'm the guy who, when more experienced officials come to me for discussion or feedback in summer camps (or any other occassion), listens closely and works on things discussed. More often than not, their is a look of surprise on their faces because, apparently, it's rare for officials to accept feedback about their own performances from peers w/o getting brushed off or some air of attitude. I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

Maybe "in my circles" you would be the evaluator that is a windbag that loves to hear the sound of his own voice. Is that fair? Probably not. Neither was your "yeah but" guy quip.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

read the thread....here's what i posted earlier:

A) How does this differ from what he said (i.e. what was the point of this rebuttal)? He said 11 hours, you show 11 hours. Same.

B) This is not 8 games on Saturday and 8 games on Sunday.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

OK ... we all know that most of us probably behave differently here than in the "real world". And while I admit that the two of us probably got under our skin and both said things a bit more strongly and with less tact than we might have in real life...
and for my part I apologize for reacting that way...

I have to wonder, given your adverse/argumentative reaction to people ALL OVER the country telling you that your expectations of 100% hustle, 100% of the time, for 2 days straight over 8/11 games was unrealistic, I'm surprised you say you behave this way with evaluators you come face-to-face with. Why would you have not given THIS crowd (A crowd made up of 90% officials that care enough that they go onto a board like this in the first place, 9% coach/rats/parents wanting to stir trouble, and 1% 1-time parents/coaches with legit questions) the same courtesy. You immediately became argumentative when questioned at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

All I can say is, you inferred incorrectly. I'm far from perfect. But def want to get better instead of becoming stagnant or indifferent.

I am only responding to what you have said to me and many others.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'm the guy who, when more experienced officials come to me for discussion or feedback in summer camps (or any other occassion), listens closely and works on things discussed. More often than not, their is a look of surprise on their faces because, apparently, it's rare for officials to accept feedback about their own performances from peers w/o getting brushed off or some air of attitude. I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

Maybe "in my circles" you would be the evaluator that is a windbag that loves to hear the sound of his own voice. Is that fair? Probably not. Neither was your "yeah but" guy quip.

This shows you have never been a person in my position. Because most guys deals with the "Yeah but" guys, just move on and do not talk to guys that know everything. I would rather give my time to the people that paid their money and want to learn, then the guy that paid their money and knows what they are doing. I will move on. What you need to understand is many of the people that you have challenged are very accomplished officials and are not speaking to you from ignorance. But you know.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

A) How does this differ from what he said (i.e. what was the point of this rebuttal)? He said 11 hours, you show 11 hours. Same.

B) This is not 8 games on Saturday and 8 games on Sunday.

It's not necessarily a rebuttal. He said he was a suspended disbeliever. So, I gave him my schedule. We had three gyms going that day. 2 friends worked the same schedule on one of the other two courts. In years past, we've traveled out of town to MAYBs where we've done between 20-25 games each from Friday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. Opportunities to do 2 on 1 off are plentious. No big deal. Lots of fun. Good chance to stay in shape. Earn some bucks.

Yea, I worked 15 instead of 16 last weekend...shoot me.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

It's not necessarily a rebuttal. He said he was a suspended disbeliever. So, I gave him my schedule. We had three gyms going that day. 2 friends worked the same schedule on one of the other two courts. In years past, we've traveled out of town to MAYBs where we've done between 20-25 games each from Friday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. Opportunities to do 2 on 1 off are plentious. No big deal. Lots of fun. Good chance to stay in shape. Earn some bucks.

Yea, I worked 15 instead of 16 last weekend...shoot me.

Ah, I see.

I don't believe he was disbelieving that you worked 8 in 11 --- I believe he disbelieved the rest of your assertions.

Let me just leave it as this... if you truly worked as hard as you say during game 1 and game 15 of this marathon, then you are Superman and I applaud you. The reason you're getting so much disbelief is that most of us have done marathons ourselves ... and MOST of the officials who would bother to spend time on a board like this are not the lazy bumpkins you mentioned in some of this thread - and our experience tells us that you just can't work that hard all the time during a marathon. This is why a few said you need to NOT work that hard at the beginnings - taking some shortcuts that don't negatively affect the game - so that you can be at your best at the end - the games that matter the most.

And again, my apologies for the blatant name-calling. It was uncalled for.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

OK ... we all know that most of us probably behave differently here than in the "real world". And while I admit that the two of us probably got under our skin and both said things a bit more strongly and with less tact than we might have in real life...
and for my part I apologize for reacting that way...

If you're extending an olive branch, I accept. And, I admit it takes two to tango. So, I apologize for my terseness as well.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I have to wonder, given your adverse/argumentative reaction to people ALL OVER the country telling you that your expectations of 100% hustle, 100% of the time, for 2 days straight over 8/11 games was unrealistic, I'm surprised you say you behave this way with evaluators you come face-to-face with. Why would you have not given THIS crowd (A crowd made up of 90% officials that care enough that they go onto a board like this in the first place, 9% coach/rats/parents wanting to stir trouble, and 1% 1-time parents/coaches with legit questions) the same courtesy. You immediately became argumentative when questioned at all.

Well, let's be clear about something. I expect 100% effort (however you want to define that - re: another poster in this thread said that might mean "pacing yourself" for the long haul) from myself and anyone else that is being paid to do a job on the court. Our kids deserve that.

Your question is a good one - the only answer I have is from the outset, there was a lot of venom. Nothing sincere about having a decent conversation. Just a lot of "BS", "you're a liar", etc etc. For better or worse, I reacted to that. Additionally, until JRutledge told me he was an evaluator in this thread, I had no clue who these anonymous people are. Does that mean they deserve less than respect? No. From the tone and attitude I was getting, it seemed like they would rather be confrontational and snarky than anything else.

In the end, I can only control my reactions though, so to that end, my apology is extended to JRutledgde, CamronRust and any others that felt put off by my posts.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Ah, I see.

I don't believe he was disbelieving that you worked 8 in 11 --- I believe he disbelieved the rest of your assertions.

Let me just leave it as this... if you truly worked as hard as you say during game 1 and game 15 of this marathon, then you are Superman and I applaud you. The reason you're getting so much disbelief is that most of us have done marathons ourselves ... and MOST of the officials who would bother to spend time on a board like this are not the lazy bumpkins you mentioned in some of this thread - and our experience tells us that you just can't work that hard all the time during a marathon. This is why a few said you need to NOT work that hard at the beginnings - taking some shortcuts that don't negatively affect the game - so that you can be at your best at the end - the games that matter the most.

And again, my apologies for the blatant name-calling. It was uncalled for.

I unconditionally accept your apology. Water under the bridge going fwd.

side note: please know that i never ever called out anyone on this forum as being lazy or lacking hustle. that was all centered around one of the guys that officiated my daughter's game a few weeks ago who i'd never met. get this - he was the third man in my group of 3 that did that 2 on 1 off. no lie. it was a hoot. i never brought it up. just played it cool and had fun.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Water under the bridge going fwd.

Works for me. Do we hug now?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Works for me. Do we hug now?

Get a room.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Works for me. Do we hug now?

um...err...uh...heheh....