"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day?

If you don't go all out in your first game, then you don't need to slow down in your eighth game. I'm not saying that's what happened, only that it fits the statements given.

Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief

I prefer to disbelieve all the time. You can believe me on that.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Really... after 5 pages of people calling you out, THIS is your defense for the lie? You sound like a buddy of mine who will wordsmith to death just to win an argument for the purposes of winning the argument... instead of actually making a point.

Are you really trying to tell me now, backtracking desperately, that you managed to work 16 games in a weekend without working "consecutive" or "multiple games in a row"? Really?

Come on. Jim Joyce made the biggest blunder in 25 years, and immediately owned his mistake. Stop wordsmithing, and admit that you at the VERY LEAST misled everyone. You asserted that you could work 16 games in 2 days "without slowing down". (You should certainly be able to see why one would assume that at least some of these were either consecutive or multiple games in a row (depending on who you are arguing with). This is why you're getting blasted, and are losing credibility in a fast ugly spiral.

so, in summary: you are calling me an "idiot" and a "liar"?

amazing

you put words into my mouth, then call me the liar

i asked you to back up what you claim i said. you can't do it.

i was very clear about those games. they were done in a 2 on 1 off format over two days. 3 one hour breaks both days between 2 game sets.

read the entire thread before calling me a liar

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

so, in summary: you are calling me an "idiot" and a "liar"?

If the shoe fits.

I called you an idiot because you claimed to never state you had worked multiple games and asked me/us to show you where you said it... I had no trouble finding it... you shouldn't have either. I'm calling you a liar for lying. That simple.

Originally Posted by DLH17

you put words into my mouth, then call me the liar

I put no words in your mouth. I quoted you.

Originally Posted by DLH17

i asked you to back up what you claim i said. you can't do it.

I truly have no idea what you're talking about now. I claim you said what you said in post 21. You did. You asked me to show you where you said you worked consecutive games ... I did. Perhaps the actual word "consecutive" was not in post 21 ... but I think it's a safe assumption that working 8 games in a day, you worked consecutive games, probably multiple times. I can't imagine a tourney playing 15 games in a day - which is what it would have taken for you to work 8 without working consecutively... And below you admit doing just that, so why are you still arguing this point?

Originally Posted by DLH17

i was very clear about those games. they were done in a 2 on 1 off format over two days. 3 one hour breaks both days between 2 game sets.

No ... you weren't. This is the VERY first time you've said it was 2 on 1 off. However - 2 on... isn't that "consecutive" or "multiple games in a row".

The LIE, sir, was telling us you worked 8 games on 2 consecutive days and NEVER SLOWED DOWN. You've even admitted as such since then. THIS was the point no one believed (and turned out to be untrue). THIS was why so many were jumping on you.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by DLH17

doing 8 games in a 2 on 1 off format for two days affords three 60 min breaks each day. hustling and using good mechanics is not difficult at all in that format.

Again.... BS!

Doing the math. In order for you to work 2 on 1 off that would require a set of 16 games. Using NFHS rules and mechanics, each game would take approx 1hr 15 min. That does not allow for OT orteams needing 5-10 minutes to warm up. That adds up to a 16 hr day. You would need to eat and stay properly hydrated, which is harder for older people.

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc). That adds up to 64-80 miles for your 16 game set. For you to keep the pace you claim, you would be an elite marathoner. Even at a steady pace, with no quick transitions, is hard to believe that you had no drop off.

I have been to plenty of camp settings, the kids playing the games have more time off (2 games), have substitutes and are much younger and can recover on their worst day, faster than most 52 yr olds.

So keep on kissing the butts of the coaches and making the same unbelievable claims, you will be rewarded accordingly.

[DLH17]

20 min halves...running clock, except last 2 mins of each half. clock runs when lead hits 15 pts. standard mayb stuff. 3 gyms in separate bldgs on the same campus were used.

saturday sched: 10a/11a on, 12p off, 1p/2p on, 3p off, 4p/5p on, 6 off, 7p/8p on

sunday sched: 10a/11a on, 12p off, 1p/2p on, 3p off, 4p/5p/6p on

yes, i lied. i did 7 on sunday, not 8. i feel terrible. lost track.

never said i did 8 straight.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Everybody? I love that. EVERYBODY.

Some very experienced and knowledgable officials have disagreed completely with you to date in this thread. Posters whose acumen I certainly respect. If I posted something that they disagreed with so vehemently, I'd sureasheck be questioning myself as to whether I had the right take on something. But, hey, that's just me.

Carry on carrying on.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Some very experienced and knowledgable officials have disagreed completely with you to date in this thread. Posters whose acumen I certainly respect. If I posted something that they disagreed with so vehemently, I'd sureasheck be questioning myself as to whether I had the right take on something. But, hey, that's just me.

Carry on carrying on.

I hear you, and I hope I've done that here (see responses to Nevadaref). That's why I originally came to this site. Nevadaref and Snaqwells have been great. You've smacked me a couple of times - ok - fine. I'll live and learn.

Lots of vitriol from others, tho. And, they are anonymous names to me. The only thing I know for sure is JRut is some sort of evaluator that has a busy week coming up.

"idiot"...."liar".... love that stuff from mbchowder. I think his head is going to explode before too long.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Again.... BS!

Doing the math. In order for you to work 2 on 1 off that would require a set of 16 games. Using NFHS rules and mechanics, each game would take approx 1hr 15 min. That does not allow for OT orteams needing 5-10 minutes to warm up. That adds up to a 16 hr day. You would need to eat and stay properly hydrated, which is harder for older people.

No, it requires, at minimum, 11 games. 2 +1 + 2 + 1 + 2 +1 + 2
Last night I worked a league that had four games (I did two) and we were right on schedule with 1 hour per game.

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc). That adds up to 64-80 miles for your 16 game set. For you to keep the pace you claim, you would be an elite marathoner. Even at a steady pace, with no quick transitions, is hard to believe that you had no drop off.

4-5 miles? I have a hard time believing that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The LIE, sir, was telling us you worked 8 games on 2 consecutive days and NEVER SLOWED DOWN. You've even admitted as such since then. THIS was the point no one believed (and turned out to be untrue). THIS was why so many were jumping on you.

Gotta disagree, slightly. To claim it was a lie implies an intent to deceive. Frankly, I think he just misspoke. He admitted to being less than clear, not to lying.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc).

Not in spring and summer leagues. A lot of those games are played on MS and even elementary school courts which are much, much smaller.

Besides, who runs in those games?

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, it requires, at minimum, 11 games. 2 +1 + 2 + 1 + 2 +1 + 2
Last night I worked a league that had four games (I did two) and we were right on schedule with 1 hour per game.

Thanks for catching my mistake.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Not in spring and summer leagues. A lot of those games are played on MS and even elementary school courts which are much, much smaller.

Besides, who runs in those games?

The OP said he hustled and used good mechanics on every play. That would mean he was working the 3 pt line across the floor, down for rebounds, keeps working for a good angle, goes across the lane without hesitation, hustles back to cover his line. That is alot of movement without loosing effort.

If these games were played on smaller than regulation floors, he omitted information to help his claim that he was able to give and sustain 100% hustle.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The OP said he hustled and used good mechanics on every play. That would mean he was working the 3 pt line across the floor, down for rebounds, keeps working for a good angle, goes across the lane without hesitation, hustles back to cover his line. That is alot of movement without loosing effort.

If these games were played on smaller than regulation floors, he omitted information to help his claim that he was able to give and sustain 100% hustle.

One of my earlier posts indicated all games were played on a regulation h.s. court.

I also indicated my speed to spots probably decreased over the course of the day, but my effort did not decrease. I was putting forth the same effort in the latter games (which were championship games) on Sunday as the first games that day. Had to be as sharp as possible for those. The competitive level of play was noticeably higher for those games than during pool play on Saturday.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Doing the math. In order for you to work 2 on 1 off that would require a set of 16 games.

Not that I want to defend the guy --- but 2 on, 1 off would require an 11 game set to work 8 (assuming you have the first shift). On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On - 8 on's, 3 off's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

And there is a big difference. No one has said I was wrong about this claim. Just about everyone said you were wrong about your claim.

And if anyone has a chip on your shoulder it is you. You are the one defending your crap again and again and again while multiple people seem to find holes in your claims. Stop trying to change the subject, there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. As a clinician for my state, I know officials cannot do that in a camp setting. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are. I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.

Originally Posted by DLH17

And, I will say again - I don't consider myself to "do all these things so well". But, I do listen, learn and hustle.

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

Something tells me you do not. As you have constantly tried to defend your position which many have seen many holes in what you have said. Oh well, keep doing what you are doing.

Peace