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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"marginal" should be restated as "incidental."

+1

Too much confusion is created if used in that context. Marginal contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Severe contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Incidental contact is never a foul, by rule. And of course, illegal contact is always a foul, by rule.

What an official has to determine is whether the contact should be deemed either "incidental" or "illegal".

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Too much confusion is created if used in that context. Marginal contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Severe contact may or may not be a foul, by rule. Incidental contact is never a foul, by rule. And of course, illegal contact is always a foul, by rule.

Substantively, I agree, but the reason is that the rules define 'incidental' but not 'marginal'.

If 'marginal' means 'incidental', then we don't need the word 'marginal'. If it means something else, then it's not going to mark the distinction between legal and illegal contact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If 'marginal' means 'incidental', then we don't need the word 'marginal'. If it means something else, then it's not going to mark the distinction between legal and illegal contact.

And therein lies the rub....whatever the hell that means....I've never seen a rub lie...or lay for that matter...but I digress....

We really don't need the words "marginal" OR "severe" when it comes to defining contact. The contact is either a foul or it is not a foul. That's why all we need is the adjectives "incidental" and "illegal".

Incidental contact isn't a foul. Illegal contact is a foul.

KISS.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Substantively, I agree, but the reason is that the rules define 'incidental' but not 'marginal'.

If 'marginal' means 'incidental', then we don't need the word 'marginal'. If it means something else, then it's not going to mark the distinction between legal and illegal contact.

Marginal in the context I have heard it (always in camp coming from the mouths of conference supervisors and/or D1 officials) is "contact not worthy of a foul call".

So it's not exactly a technical term, just the "in" term in some regions to assess whether or not a foul should have been called.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Marginal in the context I have heard it (always in camp coming from the mouths of conference supervisors and/or D1 officials) is "contact not worthy of a foul call".

So it's not exactly a technical term, just the "in" term in some regions to assess whether or not a foul should have been called.

I think it's like "on the floor." In context, it generally means "incidental" and the thought process is correct. However, it gives the impression that the foul is determined by the severity of the contact.