Player of floor

[phansen]

NFHS

A1 misses a shot. A2 and B2 attempt to rebound. A2 retrieves the rebound and in the process B2 falls to the floor. A2 misses his shot attempt, gets his own rebound and in his attempt to shoot again, stumbles over B2 who is still on the floor. I call travel. Coach A wants a foul of B2. B2 was doing nothing other than trying to get up

Is this a foul on B2? Can there ever be a situation where this could be a foul on B2?

[Jurassic Referee]

No foul on B2 under NFHS rules. Foul on B2 under NCAA rules.

If you check old threads, there's at least 2 similar threads in the last little while. And the answer hasn't changed. And it hasn't changed from the same question that was asked on the NFHS forum this morning also.

[Gargil]

If the player was trying to get up couldn't that be considered a foul? If he is lying still on the floor that is not a foul as he is entitled to that space on the floor.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gargil

If the player was trying to get up couldn't that be considered a foul?

No, unless that player interfered with the player with the ball by doing something like extending a leg into the other player's path while trying to get up.

[jeffpea]

does the player on the floor (B2) have legal guarding position?

by rule, he is entitled to that space, but if he has legal guarding position when contact is made then the only foul that can be called is a player control foul on A2.

from what you describe, I am calling a foul on B2 as he does not have LGP and his contact has caused the ball handler to lose the ball/lose his balance (iow - the defender has gained an advantage as a result of his illegal contact).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

does the player on the floor (B2) have legal guarding position?

by rule, he is entitled to that space, but if he has legal guarding position when contact is made then the only foul that can be called is a player control foul on A2.

from what you describe, I am calling a foul on B2 as he does not have LGP and his contact has caused the ball handler to lose the ball/lose his balance (iow - the defender has gained an advantage as a result of his illegal contact).

Well you're consistent anyway.

Wrong...but consistent.

1st time ever

Note the old case play cited and quoted on page 4.

This is at least the third time this exact question has come up and been discussed in the last 2 months.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

does the player on the floor (B2) have legal guarding position?

by rule, he is entitled to that space, but if he has legal guarding position when contact is made then the only foul that can be called is a player control foul on A2.

from what you describe, I am calling a foul on B2 as he does not have LGP and his contact has caused the ball handler to lose the ball/lose his balance (iow - the defender has gained an advantage as a result of his illegal contact).

I'm calling a foul on B2 also...only because they were trying to get up and caused the contact.

JR, just wondering if it matters if the player on the floor is moving (getting up) or lying still?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

does the player on the floor (B2) have legal guarding position?

by rule, he is entitled to that space, but if he has legal guarding position when contact is made then the only foul that can be called is a player control foul on A2.

from what you describe, I am calling a foul on B2 as he does not have LGP and his contact has caused the ball handler to lose the ball/lose his balance (iow - the defender has gained an advantage as a result of his illegal contact).

You have nicely stated the NCAA ruling on this--foul on the defender because he does not have a legal defensive position.

However, remember that there is a difference between having a legal spot on the floor by getting there first without illegally contacting an opponent and having LGP. The NFHS has stated that a player should not be charged with a foul when he has obtained a legal spot on the court even though he doesn't have LGP if an opponent runs into or trips over him.

So if you are calling a HS game, you should follow the HS ruling and not impose your own personal sentiments.