AP after Jumper Violation?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

COMMENTS ON THE 2002-03 RULES REVISIONS

JUMPER CATCHING A TOSS NOT CONSIDERED PLAYER CONTROL (4-12-1): An exception was
added . . . .

Thank you for this 02-03 revision. I am trying to find where that is stated in the current rulebook and casebook. I thought I had looked everywhere, including where it specifies how to set the arrow, how to change the arrow after it has been set, and jump ball violations . Could this be one of those revisions that never made it in?
Any specific references you know of that I am missing?
Thank you in advance for your consideration of this unlikely though possible scenerio!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by freddy

thank you for this 02-03 revision. I am trying to find where that is stated in the current rulebook and casebook. I thought i had looked everywhere, including where it specifies how to set the arrow, how to change the arrow after it has been set, and jump ball violations . Could this be one of those revisions that never made it in?
Any specific references you know of that i am missing?
Thank you in advance for your consideration of this unlikely though possible scenerio!

6.4.1c

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

6.4.1c

That's it! Thank you for finding what I could not, in spite of my best efforts, discover.
Now if I can only find my car keys.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Now if I can only find my car keys.

Maybe this guy can help.

YouTube - Ode to Forgetfulness

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

COMMENTS ON THE 2002-03 RULES REVISIONS

JUMPER CATCHING A TOSS NOT CONSIDERED PLAYER CONTROL (4-12-1): An exception was
added to the definition of control by a player when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to
the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper.

Originally Posted by Freddy

Thank you for this 02-03 revision. I am trying to find where that is stated in the current rulebook and casebook. I thought I had looked everywhere, including where it specifies how to set the arrow, how to change the arrow after it has been set, and jump ball violations .

Did you try looking up the citation given -- RULE 4, Section 12, Article 1?

I see that Bob gave you the case book play number.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Did you try looking up the citation given -- RULE 4, Section 12, Article 1?

Yes, but I didn't correlate the phrase, "There is not player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper..." with the question of which way the AP arrow would be set following the administration of the throw-in for the violation. Still don't, but the casebook nails it conclusively.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Yes, but I didn't correlate the phrase, "There is not player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper..." with the question of which way the AP arrow would be set following the administration of the throw-in for the violation. Still don't, but the casebook nails it conclusively.

Because of that exception to the player and team control rules, there would be a violation following the jump ball prior to team control being established by either team. Therefore, you would adhere to 4-3-3a in setting the initial direction of the arrow, instead of using 4-3-1.

That's the consequence of those words being added in 4-12-1 back in 2002.