Letting it get out of control

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

But in whose eyes is that advantage gained?

The player will invariably feel that the contact affected the play and put him/her at a disadvantage. The official...not so much so.

One side is naturally biased; the other side can't afford to be biased.

That's the flaw in your reasoning imo.

in whose eyes is that advantage gained?.....yours...when you're watching a game, be it a soph game, another hs game, small college game, game on tv, etc. i don't care what fanboys, coaches, or players think...this is a chat room of officials...

i think you may be combining the complaints that you hear from fans/players/coaches during games with the opinions of officials (mine, in this case) that are shared in this forum. they are two different things coming from completely different perspectives.

just watch how much contact is allowed to happen that affects the play. it's the reason why the NCAA has instituted the "automatic" fouls last year - contact that causes the ball handler to fall = foul; contact that interrupts RSBQ (rhythm, speed, balance, quickness) = foul.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I had a 5th grade boys game yesterday in which A1 and B1 dived to the floor after a loose ball. Their shoulders bumped pretty hard but neither kid had an advantageous position over the other and neither one actually initiated the contact. The ball went OOB off A1 and I called it just as a violation. Coach A yelled, "Why wasn't that a foul?" I replied, "Because it was mutual combat, coach".

Are you sure you didn't mean Mortal Kombat (registered trademark)?

MTD, Sr.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Are you sure you didn't mean Mortal Kombat (registered trademark)?

MTD, Sr.

I think this is plagiarism from my previous quote. How about a citation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I think this is plagiarism from my previous quote. How about a citation.

Since you didn't provide the requisite trademark citation, there's considerable doubt as to whether you were referring to the same thing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

just watch how much contact is allowed to happen that affects the play. it's the reason why the NCAA has instituted the "automatic" fouls last year - contact that causes the ball handler to fall = foul; contact that interrupts RSBQ (rhythm, speed, balance, quickness) = foul.

Sorry, but that is not one of the two absolutes that the NCAA instituted last year.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sorry, but that is not one of the two absolutes that the NCAA instituted last year.

Two hands on the dribbler (which, BTW, we always call at the HS level) and tripping the dribbler so that he loses possession (which we also always call at the HS level). They aren't earth-shattering absolutes, really.