My season done & question concerning scoreboard preferences

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You realize these two statements are contradictory. Please explain why "awareness of players in foul trouble is important to me." Please don't say you are less likely to call a foul on a player depending on how many fouls that player has at that time.

Here we go...

I'm not going to get into this discussion full-bore (as it's OT from the OP and been discussed many times) but knowing how many fouls each player has allows me to manage the game better. For instance, if I know that #43 just picked up his 3rd foul in the beginning of the 2nd quarter or his 4th in the beginning of the 4th quarter, I will be expecting the coach to substitute that player out. Therefore, I might wait an extra split-second to put the ball in play to allow the coach the time to get someone to the table. If they don't, then I continue as normal.

It's the same reason I put additional focus on looking towards the coach(es) (if I'm opposite the bench) during a close game to see if they are requesting a timeout (after a made shot, turnover, etc). I want to use my knowledge of the game to be prepared for what situations might come about. I don't like to say that I anticipate what the coach may or may not do but knowing what might happen is always helpful.

Did I dodge the bait, Mark?

-Josh

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Is there something wrong with being prepared for the horn to sound indicating 5 fouls?

Aren't we always prepared for that?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I have to ask, how did it develop?

Missed shot, ball ping-pongs around a bit, coach(es) screaming for a TO as two opponents latch onto it near a bench. Of course, after we give it the thumbs-up the coach doesn't want the TO any more.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Missed shot, ball ping-pongs around a bit, coach(es) screaming for a TO as two opponents latch onto it near a bench. Of course, after we give it the thumbs-up the coach doesn't want the TO any more.

Tempting thought: Grant the TO, ball AP since you blew it dead without team control.

Nah.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Aren't we always prepared for that?

Nothing like knowing it's coming, though. Also, if I know V5 has 4 fouls and I call one on him, I'll double check with the table if they don't hit the horn. My point is that the statements Mark quoted are not mutually exclusive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

here we go...

I'm not going to get into this discussion full-bore (as it's ot from the op and been discussed many times) but knowing how many fouls each player has allows me to manage the game better. For instance, if i know that #43 just picked up his 3rd foul in the beginning of the 2nd quarter or his 4th in the beginning of the 4th quarter, i will be expecting the coach to substitute that player out. Therefore, i might wait an extra split-second to put the ball in play to allow the coach the time to get someone to the table. If they don't, then i continue as normal.

It's the same reason i put additional focus on looking towards the coach(es) (if i'm opposite the bench) during a close game to see if they are requesting a timeout (after a made shot, turnover, etc). I want to use my knowledge of the game to be prepared for what situations might come about. I don't like to say that i anticipate what the coach may or may not do but knowing what might happen is always helpful.

-josh

+1

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

+1

Mark thought I was going to say that I wouldn't call his fifth foul if I could help it to keep the star player in the game. I knew where he was going. I'm not a noob around this joint

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Mark thought I was going to say that I wouldn't call his fifth foul if I could help it to keep the star player in the game. I knew where he was going. I'm not a noob around this joint

-Josh

He grew up in Illinois, so he has no appreciation for a solid Iowa education.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

...solid Iowa education.

Oxymoron.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He grew up in Illinois, so he has no appreciation for a solid Iowa education.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Oxymoron.

Case in point, Josh.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by biggravy

I'm just concerned that with a scoreboard like that you won't have time to focus on your primary duties of watching for illegal hairbands and evaluating officials.

Isn't that the point that I'm focusing my duties on scoreboard/timer operations instead of uniform rule violations?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

...solid Iowa education.

Yet another item to add to BillyMac's List of Myths.

Just after unicorns, I believe.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Case in point, Josh.

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Yet another item to add to BillyMac's List of Myths.

Just after unicorns, I believe.

So you understand what I'm getting at, I'll quote my son:

"I'm not talking to you." - Li'l Snaqs (4 years old)

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Here we go...

I'm not going to get into this discussion full-bore (as it's OT from the OP and been discussed many times) but knowing how many fouls each player has allows me to manage the game better. For instance, if I know that #43 just picked up his 3rd foul in the beginning of the 2nd quarter or his 4th in the beginning of the 4th quarter, I will be expecting the coach to substitute that player out. Therefore, I might wait an extra split-second to put the ball in play to allow the coach the time to get someone to the table. If they don't, then I continue as normal.

It's the same reason I put additional focus on looking towards the coach(es) (if I'm opposite the bench) during a close game to see if they are requesting a timeout (after a made shot, turnover, etc). I want to use my knowledge of the game to be prepared for what situations might come about. I don't like to say that I anticipate what the coach may or may not do but knowing what might happen is always helpful.

Did I dodge the bait, Mark?

-Josh

Josh,

I can see your thinking concerning coaches bringing in subs for those in foul trouble. I can also see the idea of coaches subbing in players that are better at scoring than those currently on the court.

I noticed that this weekend that the coaches would look up at the scoreboard, notice the player fouls & points & they would make more informed decisions on who they'd sub in.

Concerning the costs of the scoreboards I see the point.

I found out thanks to the AD that asked me if I was still wanting to work the tournament, that all the schools in that league use Daktronics scoreboards that have the same capabilities as those that were in use this past weekend.

At CHS, the scoreboard being used is an All-American Scoreboard that only shows the time, score, team fouls, & the most current player & how many fouls they have.

On the All-American Scoreboard, we have to continually add to the total manually. The Daktronics scoreboards in use this past weekend, automatically added both the player fouls & team fouls in for us after pressing the corresponding buttons.

Also the All-American Scoreboard in use at CHS has a time out timer that if it's used during the game, freezes the scoreboard until the timer reaches 0 nor are the warning horns automatically sounded. (For time outs & intermissions we have to use a stopwatch)

The Daktronics scoreboards we used had the Time Out & Intermission timers as well as the time outs left listed on the scoreboard. The time out timer would count down & at 15 sec. left in the time out would automatically sound the warning horn. The same would happen at the end of the time-out. However, if the teams were ready to start play earlier we could cancel the time out timer easily & continue play.