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Old Sat Feb 27, 2010, 07:01pm
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Title 7 of the '64 Civil Rights Act. (not the more 'popular' Title IX) Religious beleifes must be reasonably accomodated. (not causing 'undue hardship') Flexible schedules being one of them.
However, I applaud the decsion to not make a "mountain out of a mole hill" in this situation. I agree that the players will learn more in the long run. It would have benefitted no one, and fostered IMO an 'us v them' mentality that helps no one.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2010, 12:49am
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Title 7 of the '64 Civil Rights Act. (not the more 'popular' Title IX) Religious beliefs must be reasonably accommodated. (not causing 'undue hardship') Flexible schedules being one of them.


And has it been definitively stated by anyone in authority that this law would ever apply in this situation? Reasonably accommodated. One of the mothers of all broad terms. And is missing a consolation game undue hardship? To ask to change the schedule of a tournament, which was made probably a year in advance, to accommodate any one group for any reason sounds like a lot to ask to me.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2010, 04:24am
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And has it been definitively stated by anyone in authority that this law would ever apply in this situation?
Yes, as I mentioned previously, every level of Oregon court. Not necessarily binding in other states but certainly an authoritative body.
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Reasonably accommodated. One of the mothers of all broad terms. And is missing a consolation game undue hardship?
The hardship it is talking about is not the hardship of missing something due to the lack of an accomodation but the effect on others. It wouldn't be reasonable for ask the others for a change that would cause substantially more expense (extra night's hotel, additional travel, etc. or requiring the tournament host to extend to event additional days) but swapping times of two games between 3pm to 7pm, for example, likely has no material impact on anyone. It is a neutral swap. I can't see why there is even any resistance.

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To ask to change the schedule of a tournament, which was made probably a year in advance, to accommodate any one group for any reason sounds like a lot to ask to me.
I just don't see that is much of anything to ask at all. Most these tournaments have several games per day and all it amounts to is swapping times with another pair of teams.

It is nothing new that religious schools have limits in what they can do based on thier beliefs. The state organizations are usually chartered to server ALL schools. Even if the schedule was made in advance, they knew they had such a school...if not, they know for the next year. They should plan for the possibility...its not that hard. It sounds more like someone just don't want to spend the 5 extra minutes to think about how to accomodate them.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2010, 03:52pm
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And has it been definitively stated by anyone in authority that this law would ever apply in this situation? Reasonably accommodated. One of the mothers of all broad terms. And is missing a consolation game undue hardship? To ask to change the schedule of a tournament, which was made probably a year in advance, to accommodate any one group for any reason sounds like a lot to ask to me.
Thus the reason for lawyers. If by switching times with the game immediately after their game who would be harmed? For instance, would playing at 5 instead of 7 harm those players? There would be no additional burden for those two teams. No extra travel expense etc. For those playing at 5 to play at 7 the benefits would outway any additional "burden". While those teams may return home a few hours later, they would still have the opportunity to participate in the state tournament and reap any rewards that would entail.
Of course by the time you filed all the injunctions, temporary retraining orders etc, the tournament would be over and it would all be a big distraction.
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Old Sun Feb 28, 2010, 06:09pm
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Thus the reason for lawyers. If by switching times with the game immediately after their game who would be harmed?
Quite likely, nobody, unless this new schedule created some other kind of conflict for some other group. "We just barely had time to make it to the game after _________ gets over as it was. What are we gonna do now?"

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