how to deal with new, but arrogant, official?

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That goes triple for a "biddy" game. You're better off actually discussing the traveling play than worrying about long distance rates.

I wasn't talking telephone with him!

Nah, seriously though, I do appreciate the tips you and Rut have given to me. It was my first time dealing with a new official who acted this way. I'll keep that in mind for the next new official I end up working with next year. Thanks again!

[cmhjordan23]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

You are not wrong about what the rule book says...your mistake would be the same mistake made by the newer official in the OP - looking at the ball handler when he is not in your PCA. There's no reason to do that, and it simply leads to more problems than it fixes.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

..... violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

Nothing has to be only in your PCA, but if you make a traveling call across the floor six feet in front of your partner it makes the crew look bad, even if the call is correct. If you make this call and you are wrong, it is totally unacceptable.

Solution: Trust your partner(s) and concentrate on your own area.

If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call.

What if the elephant had LGP?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What if the elephant had LGP?

Then it's a travel.

[Rich]

Working 3-person Saturday afternoon. Two good partners. I'm the L tableside near the end of the game. Dribbler runs defender right into a blind screen -- time and distance not an issue as the screener was stationary for a long, long time -- and looking through the back of the screener peripherally, it looked like the defender planted the screener.

But I had two partners looking right at it and, well, I trust them.

In the locker room, both said how the girl embellished the contact and actually smacked her hands on the floor to try to draw a call from both of them.

Now, what if I saw this as an elephant and jumped in -- to "save the day."

There's a reason we don't reach very often and are willing to allow a partner to be wrong rather than jumping in ourselves: Who's to say our view of it is the *right* one?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Now, what if I saw this as an elephant and jumped in -- to "save the day."

Sounds like a really small elephant. The rule only applies to full grown African elephants.*







*Indian elephants are smaller.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

*Indian elephants are smaller.

And their ears aren't shaped like Africa.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Trust your partner and concentrate on your own area. If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone.

"If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone." © 2010 just another ref

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone." © 2010 just another ref

This is not original. I stole it. I thought it came from here and everybody knew it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

I've been completely wrong on obvious calls right in front of my partners.