blowing whistle for subs

[JRutledge]

I use the whistle most of the time, but not all the time. I think it really depends on where you are located and how good the table personnel are in letting in subs.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I use the whistle most of the time, but not all the time. I think it really depends on where you are located and how good the table personnel are in letting in subs.

Peace

Hmm.. I must be wrong, but I thought one of IL's mechanic "adoptions" was to NOT whistle in subs?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmm.. I must be wrong, but I thought one of IL's mechanic "adoptions" was to NOT whistle in subs?

Bob, tell me more. Is this published somewhere?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmm.. I must be wrong, but I thought one of IL's mechanic "adoptions" was to NOT whistle in subs?

I think it is suggested not to use it every time because it is not always necessary, but there is nothing against using the whistle. So it really comes down to who you work for.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is suggested not to use it every time because it is not always necessary, but there is nothing against using the whistle. So it really comes down to who you work for.

Peace

Jeff, same question I asked Bob, do recall if this was written anywhere? A small wager hangs in the balance.

[jdmara]

Ironic that this was brought up. After the game on Friday the administrator for the evening knocked on the door and said that we had a visitor. Behind him was the IAHSAA director. He came walking in and discussed the game with us. One area that he is trying to emphasis is the sub procedure. This is the way he wants it:

1. Sub checks into the game with the official scorer
2. When the appropriate time come, the clock operator will buzz the horn
3. The appropriate official will then blow their whistle and wave the subs into the game

He always wants the horn and always wants the whistle, in that order. My concern was that the clock operator may not always know the appropriate time to buzz the horn to let subs in but that's the way he wants it. His concern is that sometimes the officials let the subs in without properly checking into the game. I discussed it with my table on Tuesday and they have been told different things each game. I'm sure it's very confusing for them.

-Josh

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by jdmara

...He always wants the horn and always wants the whistle, in that order. My concern was that the clock operator may not always know the appropriate time to buzz the horn to let subs in but that's the way he wants it. His concern is that sometimes the officials let the subs in without properly checking into the game. I discussed it with my table on Tuesday and they have been told different things each game. I'm sure it's very confusing for them.

-Josh

Thus my comment on unnecessary noise pollution. Isn't a horn AND whistle redundant/overkill? Is getting in the subs that big of a problem? *shrug* JMHO.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Thus my comment on unnecessary noise pollution. Isn't a horn AND whistle redundant/overkill? Is getting in the subs that big of a problem? *shrug* JMHO.

I agree with you 100%. Just relaying what Iowa's authoritative figure wants. As we always say, when in Rome...

-Josh

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by jdmara

He always wants the horn and always wants the whistle, in that order. My concern was that the clock operator may not always know the appropriate time to buzz the horn to let subs in but that's the way he wants it. His concern is that sometimes the officials let the subs in without properly checking into the game. I discussed it with my table on Tuesday and they have been told different things each game. I'm sure it's very confusing for them.

Interesting. Did you ask him what you should do when you see a sub come to the table but the timer doesn't see him and therefore there is no horn when appropriate?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Interesting. Did you ask him what you should do when you see a sub come to the table but the timer doesn't see him and therefore there is no horn when appropriate?

He indirectly addressed this question, IMO, when he said you have to assume if there is not a horn, the sub has not properly checked in.

He did address the situation where the coach sends up one sub at a time. He wants only the subs at the table when the ball became dead to be allowed to enter (within reason). If someone just picked up a foul and the coach wants to sub him out, then allow it but eliminate the lengthy sub process.

-Josh

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Jeff, same question I asked Bob, do recall if this was written anywhere? A small wager hangs in the balance.

It is not written because it is not required. That being said I am an IHSA Clinician with the state, so it really depends on who you work for. Some people like the whistle, others do not. But as you should know we do not use the NF Manuals so that information is not relevant to us necessarily unless otherwise stated.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not written because it is not required. That being said I am an IHSA Clinician with the state, so it really depends on who you work for. Some people like the whistle, others do not. But as you should know we do not use the NF Manuals so that information is not relevant to us necessarily unless otherwise stated.

Peace

I tend to whistle if needed. If I'm directly looking at partner who is waiting for OK sign from me, and I have stop sign up, I don't whistle.

It's really nothing, just that my double patched partner seemed to make more out of it than it should have been.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I tend to whistle if needed. If I'm directly looking at partner who is waiting for OK sign from me, and I have stop sign up, I don't whistle.

It's really nothing, just that my double patched partner seemed to make more out of it than it should have been.

I heard HB address the issue too as Bob stated, but not like "If you do not blow the whistle you will never work again......." type conversation. I just remember it in passing and really it depends like many other things in our state. I advocate those to use the whistle if you need to. But if I am right be the table like in a FT, I might not use it at all in those situations. There are many things in Illinois we are required to do, this is not one of them.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Jeff, same question I asked Bob, do recall if this was written anywhere? A small wager hangs in the balance.

I remember (or mis-remember) HB saying it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I remember (or mis-remember) HB saying it.

Like E.F. Hutton, everyone listens.