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Old Sun Jan 31, 2010, 01:03pm
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Here's the bottom line. I didn't say anything about my partners, that I wouldn't say in front of my partners or to my partners.

My partners were both kind of in over their heads. No, I never said this part, but everybody knew it.

What I said was, I tried to do a little (a lot) extra in order to help my less experienced crew members out, and to keep the game under control.

What was the net result? It's in the eyes of the beholders.
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Old Sun Jan 31, 2010, 01:18pm
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1) Here's the bottom line. I didn't say anything about my partners, that I wouldn't say in front of my partners or to my partners.

2) What I said was, I tried to do a little (a lot) extra in order to help my less experienced crew members out, and to keep the game under control.

3) What was the net result? It's in the eyes of the beholders.
1) You would have said something like that in front of your partners to a coach? Have you got a death wish? Here's the bottom line. You shouldn't say anything about your partners to coaches, fans, etc. Ever!

2) And what you really said was your partners were bad and ol' JAR had to come to the rescue. And you said it to a coach.

3) The net result is that you threw 'em under the bus, JAR. And methinks every single beholder on here has told you that so far, some nicer than others.

Time to let it go. You ain't gonna change your mind, none of us are gonna change it for you, and you sureasheck will never change mine.
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Old Sun Jan 31, 2010, 01:38pm
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Here's a twist. I hadn't thought about this until now. It just so happens that several years ago, my second year to be registered and to call varsity games, I was sent to this same school. It was two whistle then, and my partner was a guy who was also registered for the second time. I had done lots of jr. high and rec games, partner had done some, but not as many. The two of us together had called less than 10 varsity games total. We were basically in the same position as my two partners in this one, but with no veteran guy to steady the ship. I was understandably apprehensive before the game, and very surprised to have gotten this assignment with this partner.

What if I'd seen one of the coaches the day after this one? The girls coach at the time was one of our association officials. In fact, he was one of the guys who awarded the 3 free throws on the intentional foul. What if I'd seen him the next day.

"Hey, man. We were kind of in over our heads last night. I hope the game didn't look too bad."

Would this be acceptable? Or would it only be acceptable because this guy was an official? He was the only one of the four that I knew that night. Both boys coaches in this last game are pretty good friends of mine. Is that a factor at all in anyone's assessment?
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Old Sun Jan 31, 2010, 09:27pm
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Here's the bottom line. I didn't say anything about my partners, that I wouldn't say in front of my partners or to my partners.

My partners were both kind of in over their heads. No, I never said this part, but everybody knew it.

What I said was, I tried to do a little (a lot) extra in order to help my less experienced crew members out, and to keep the game under control.

What was the net result? It's in the eyes of the beholders.
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1) You would have said something like that in front of your partners to a coach? Have you got a death wish? Here's the bottom line. You shouldn't say anything about your partners to coaches, fans, etc. Ever!

2) And what you really said was your partners were bad and ol' JAR had to come to the rescue. And you said it to a coach.

3) The net result is that you threw 'em under the bus, JAR. And methinks every single beholder on here has told you that so far, some nicer than others.

Time to let it go. You ain't gonna change your mind, none of us are gonna change it for you, and you sureasheck will never change mine.
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Old Sun Jan 31, 2010, 10:11pm
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My question to you is how did you try to engage your crew during the game?

Good crew chiefs elevate their crew's game by supporting and reinforcing their partners.

Both partners were varsity officials and need to be trusted to handle the consequences of their calls/no calls. If there is a non-basketball play, then absolutely go get it for the good of the game. But outside of that, I would highly discourage making calls "70 ft. from the play."
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