Vote of Confidence?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Ouch. As one who has many times been the "problem" partner, I can honestly say I hope I never have to work with you. I've already got all the tire tracks I need running across my face...

You're gonna have to go back and highlight the tire tracks in my post, because I don't follow. What would you have said to the guy?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What would you have said to the guy?

Nothing.

If he has questions about individual calls that you made, answer them. But never intimate that you were making those calls because your partners won't. Don't discuss your partners in any way with a coach. Save that for your assignor.

How would you have felt if you found out that a partner of yours had told a coach that he had to make a lot of calls because you weren't making them?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How would you have felt if you found out that a partner of yours had told a coach that he had to make a lot of calls because you weren't making them?

If that were true and was already obvious to everyone, I have no problem with it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If that were true and was already obvious to everyone, I have no problem with it.

The assigner knew what he was doing when he assigned you with those two. I think the best thing in this situation is to say nothing -- let the coach do the talking, empathize without throwing anyone under the bus, and get out of Dodge.

I don't think you meant to throw anyone under the bus, but you may have.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by richmsn

the assigner knew what he was doing when he assigned you with those two. I think the best thing in this situation is to say nothing -- let the coach do the talking, empathize without throwing anyone under the bus, and get out of dodge.

I don't think you meant to throw anyone under the bus, but you may have.

+1

[just another ref]

I'm a little vague about where the line is drawn on what constitutes "throwing someone under the bus."

Years ago, I was watching a game as a spectator when an intentional foul was called on a made basket. Officials awarded 3 free throws, "one for the foul, two for the intentional." This struck several people in the crowd as wrong. Some of the people asked me.

"Was that right?"

How do you defend this?

"No, they made a mistake." And I quoted the correct ruling.

Some here said that I had stabbed the officials on the court in the back. I said I think not, but to each his own.

In the case at hand, the fact that I did extend my area and made so many calls was obvious and undeniable. We were not totally on the same page.
Does this reflect negatively on me or them? Like so many things, it depends on who you ask. The crowd was mainly on me. "THAT GUY is killing us." The coach took swipes at both during the game.
I made a call for him. "Can't somebody else call a foul?"
I made a call against him. "That's not your call."

If anything I said or did before, during, or after this game can be considered throwing anyone under anything, feel free to throw me with them.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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Years ago, I was watching a game as a spectator when an intentional foul was called on a made basket. Officials awarded 3 free throws, "one for the foul, two for the intentional." This struck several people in the crowd as wrong. Some of the people asked me.

"Was that right?"

How do you defend this?

"No, they made a mistake." And I quoted the correct ruling.

Some here said that I had stabbed the officials on the court in the back

In that particular situation, I think it would have been best to say nothing at all or if you can't get away with saying nothing, play dumb. By telling the fans the officials were wrong and quoting the correct ruling, you basically gave them all the ammo they needed to heckle the officials. Ex: "Joe over here is an official too and says you suck"

While I don't think you meant to throw your partners under the bus, you did. By telling the coach you had to be the man and step up and make calls outside your PCA, you basically told the coach that your partners sucked and you had to do everything for them.

When confronted with a situation like this, as has been said above, it's best to say nothing. Remember, a coach or whomever you are speaking to cannot "misquote" silence.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm a little vague about where the line is drawn on what constitutes "throwing someone under the bus."

the line is right where you say or imply or strongly hint that you were trying to "rescue" the game from the partners. Even to try to take the blame is just backhanded slamming.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Years ago, I was watching a game as a spectator when an intentional foul was called on a made basket. Officials awarded 3 free throws, "one for the foul, two for the intentional." This struck several people in the crowd as wrong. Some of the people asked me.

"Was that right?"

How do you defend this?

"No, they made a mistake." And I quoted the correct ruling.

Some here said that I had stabbed the officials on the court in the back. I said I think not, but to each his own.

"I'm not sure we saw the whole situation." "Those guys are pretty respected, I expect they know what they're doing" "Howard is our rules guy for all the little details. you'll have to ask him." "Sorry, I was talking on the phone" "Oh, I wasn't watching. Have you seen a red cap laying here somewhere?"

Originally Posted by just another ref

In the case at hand, the fact that I did extend my area and made so many calls was obvious and undeniable. We were not totally on the same page.

And what did you do in pre-game to get on the same page, and to be on the same page? I mean, in that game, knowing this new guy hadn't done 3-whistle before, you might have added a lot to his learning by really bending over backward to see that he DID call a few fouls and that they were good calls. End of the first quarter, if he's still pretty overwhelmed, you say okay, let's lock down in positions and just focus on the action, or give him carte blanche to call all over the floor. "I don't care where the next foul happens, it's your whistle". This is the kind of stuff I've experienced at 3-whistle camps for beginners and it really helps a lot to get over that first big barrier.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does this reflect negatively on me or them? Like so many things, it depends on who you ask. The crowd was mainly on me. "THAT GUY is killing us." The coach took swipes at both during the game.
I made a call for him. "Can't somebody else call a foul?"
I made a call against him. "That's not your call."

The crowd is mainly on you, but that's only because they don't understand, and you can't use it as a gauge. When one of you looks bad, you all look bad.
In order to look better yourself, and to not be in the position of trying to decide what to say to a coach later, you have to be more pro-active during the game to make it better.

Also, if you really think of it as "one for all and all for one" you are so embarrassed when you see that coach, that you just wave and walk out. Don't even want to explain.

Originally Posted by just another ref

If anything I said or did before, during, or after this game can be considered throwing anyone under anything, feel free to throw me with them.

Nah, you did it to yourself. We don't need to. Just learn your lesson, as we all should do when we err, and don't do it again.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm a little vague about where the line is drawn on what constitutes "throwing someone under the bus."

Years ago, I was watching a game as a spectator when an intentional foul was called on a made basket. Officials awarded 3 free throws, "one for the foul, two for the intentional." This struck several people in the crowd as wrong. Some of the people asked me.

"Was that right?"

"Sorry, but I'm here to enjoy the game, not critique my associates"