Vote of Confidence?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'm not going to be lumped in with clowns who don't know the rules in that situation.

As for the situation with the H coach, I would just direct him to the assigner if at all possible.

The problem is this: You're not in an association meeting. You're sitting in the stands with a bunch of ignorant chuckleheads who want someone, anyone to validate their opinion that the officials suck. Even if those guys on the floor are right and you tell them, they then think you AND the officials are morons.

I've been in that position. My response? I'd have my phone in my hands looking like I wasn't even watching, sending an email or something. I do not, will not comment on the officiating with anyone other than another official.

As far as running into the coach in a BK, I would've said hello to him and left. If he brought up the game, I would've listened politely and left. The assigner knows he assigned weaker officials to the game and the last thing he needs is for the strong official on the crew to give the coach ammunition to go back to the assigner and say "I know you sent us two weak ones -- even JAR said he had to expand his.....", etc.

Maybe I'm overly paranoid. But beyond being polite and saying hi to a coach away from the gym, I'm not saying much else.

I'm trying not to judge -- I felt I was asked for an opinion and I gave it. Lord knows, I'm not always right....

[just another ref]

I will never be afraid to state facts, especially facts that are already known by the person I am speaking to.

Example: I expanded my zone and made a lot of calls.

I will also never be afraid to state facts that are published in black and white.

Example: They were not entitled to 3 free throws in the above situation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I will never be afraid to state facts, especially facts that are already known by the person I am speaking to.

Example: I expanded my zone and made a lot of calls.

I will also never be afraid to state facts that are published in black and white.

Example: They were not entitled to 3 free throws in the above situation.

I will never be afraid to state facts either.

You threw your partners under the bus, have no remorse about doing so and would do it again in a hearbeat.

And that's a fact, Jack.

And it's also sad......

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The problem is this: You're not in an association meeting. You're sitting in the stands with a bunch of ignorant chuckleheads who want someone, anyone to validate their opinion that the officials suck. Even if those guys on the floor are right and you tell them, they then think you AND the officials are morons.

I've been in that position. My response? I'd have my phone in my hands looking like I wasn't even watching, sending an email or something. I do not, will not comment on the officiating with anyone other than another official.

I understand the unwillingness either to endorse (what seems to me) an obviously blown call or to announce in the stands that the officials blew it.

But Rich is right: the people in the stands are partisan, and they are asking only for validation. They're not interested in learning the rules.

Furthermore, in many circumstances there might be things going on that I really didn't see from the stands: they might have gotten it right after all, based on what they saw. So even apart from "not throwing them under the bus," I'm shutting up because I might not have all of the info.

Rich's proposed solution is a great one: "I didn't see it," or maybe, "I'm not sure what the call was," which might be more honest. Of all the things you might say here, this is probably the best. IMHO.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I understand the unwillingness either to endorse (what seems to me) an obviously blown call or to announce in the stands that the officials blew it.

But Rich is right: the people in the stands are partisan, and they are asking only for validation. They're not interested in learning the rules.

Furthermore, in many circumstances there might be things going on that I really didn't see from the stands: they might have gotten it right after all, based on what they saw. So even apart from "not throwing them under the bus," I'm shutting up because I might not have all of the info.

Rich's proposed solution is a great one: "I didn't see it," or maybe, "I'm not sure what the call was," which might be more honest. Of all the things you might say here, this is probably the best. IMHO.

Another aside: If the officials are right I won't say anything either, for one simple reason -- silence can't be misquoted, but sure can be interpreted if you are willing to talk only when you think the officials are right.

Your solution is the best one. "I'm not sure I saw the whole thing" or "I'm not sure what they called there -- maybe I missed something" is probably the more honest approach than pretending you saw nothing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

"I didn't see it," or maybe, "I'm not sure what the call was," which might be more honest. Of all the things you might say here, this is probably the best.

Agree. Also, "It's usually two shots for an intentional, but maybe they had something else. I'll talk to them later. I'd like to know what they saw on that play. I'm probably missing something sitting here".

[Kelvin green]

After reading this whole thread, here's my two cents

-In a three whistle crew, thee is no reason to fish in another persons pond. If you are the strongest official then use that in game management and dealing with the coaches.

-The reasons for fishing in another's pond with two weak partners are the same as if you were with two strong partners... I would not go chasing calls or expanding your area... I would be aware of what's going on but sometimes partners have to live and die by their calls

-I would not be the one who gets labeled as a bad partner and sometimes chasing calls will give reoutation as a bad partner.

- Talk about plays with them so they can get them right.

-By expanding your area you may be guessing at calls that you should not be guessing on. Maybe they actually did see the play and passed on it. Were there any mariginal calls that were made worse by calling it..

-Did this cause the game to have less of a flow?

-Sometimes you have a bad partner and GIGDGO

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

There is no reason to fish in another persons pond.

Lake Chaubunagungamaug is a lake in the town of Webster, Massachusetts. The name comes from Nipmuc, an Algonquian language, and is believed to mean, "You fish on your side, I fish on my side, and nobody fish in the middle".

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Lake Chaubunagungamaug is a lake in the town of Webster, Massachusetts. The name comes from Nipmuc, an Algonquian language, and is believed to mean, "You fish on your side, I fish on my side, and nobody fish in the middle".

I bet there's lotsa fouls in the middle.