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4-42 Throw-in;designated spot
Team A has the AP arrow to start the second half. A1 is standing completley out of bounds (designated thrower) next to the referee. The referee sounds his whistle and attempts to hand the ball to A1 but A1 runs on the court (leaving the designated-spot area).The ref places the ball on the gound OOB and begins the 5 second count. A1 never touched the ball OOB. A2 steps out of bounds and completes the throw-in before the 5 second count reaches 5.A2 appeared to be the player who was supposed to inbound for team A. it appeared that he forgot at first. Is this play legal?
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Let Me Count The Ways (Elizabeth Barrett Browning) ...
The thrower shall not leave the designated throw-in spot until the
ball has been released on a throw-in pass. The thrown ball shall not be touched by a teammate of the thrower while the ball is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane, except as in 7-5-7. The thrower shall not be replaced by a teammate after the ball is at the thrower's disposal, except as in 7-5-7.
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With Nevada on this one. Ball was never at A1's disposal.
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So when the ball is placed at A1's disposal, He / She can refuse it and enter the court? Seems like it certainly was at their disposal as the ref was ready and handing it over .
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I agree the ball was at A1's disposal prior to returning onto court.
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I think this is an either/or situation. Arguments could be made that the ball was at the disposal (handed but not accepted) and that it was not (never touched). I'm thinking it is a HTBT situation: if it was obvious trickery to deceive the opponent into guarding the wrong person I'd tend toward calling it; if it was clearly a brain cramp by some kid being a kid I'd tend to let it slide.
Would it make a difference if the official had bounced the ball (begun his bounce) and the thrower just ignored the ball and changed places while the ball dribbled away? |
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Unless you deem it to be a bad bounce, as to a FT shooter, and simply kill it and say let's start this thing over. Back to the OP, it's a HTBT but seems one could make the case that the ball was put on the ground at the team's disposal, not just A1, so play on. Same as if the ball was placed down if they were tardy breaking their huddle. |
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4-4 Ball location, at disposal ART. 7 ... A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower (DIDN'T happen yet in OP) b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her (MY bad above) c. Placed on the floor at the spot d. Available to a player after a goal |
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Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner.
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Good Point ...
Agree.
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