Unusual and weird situation resulting in ejection

[icallfouls]

In regard to the flopping that happened so frequently by the same player.

Someone suggested a warning. Try that, it is useful.
Consider calling a blocking foul. Then call it again. The player will soon be departing.

I agree that a T is certainly an option, but at the highest levels this is not called. So I would say that is a bit extreme.

Lastly, review the rule book and casebook in greater detail. Misapplication of the rules is on you. I have reason to suspect that you knew you messed up and tried to explain it to your rules interpreter so as to minimize your culpability.

Officials get better when they recognize the errors they make and eliminate them from their game. Hit the Rule Book and these types of errors will become a thing of the past. You have basically wasted your first 6 years by not knowing the rules better. Your future is in your hands.

[representing]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Someone suggested a warning. Try that, it is useful.
Consider calling a blocking foul. Then call it again. The player will soon be departing.

This is how I will handle this from now on. First time, I will wait until next dead ball to call the player over and warn him (unless you can consider this a violation to stop the play dead). If he continues, I will call a blocking charge the next two times. If he does it once more after that then I will T him up.

What do you guys think? I would hate for a kid to foul out when theoretically he would probably be fouling out and not fouling period (flopping without contact). So I was thinking, a "3 strikes and you're out" moment... Warn and two chances to clean it up with just a simple foul.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by representing

This is how I will handle this from now on. First time, I will wait until next dead ball to call the player over and warn him (unless you can consider this a violation to stop the play dead). If he continues, I will call a blocking charge the next two times. If he does it once more after that then I will T him up.

What do you guys think? I would hate for a kid to foul out when theoretically he would probably be fouling out and not fouling period (flopping without contact). So I was thinking, a "3 strikes and you're out" moment... Warn and two chances to clean it up with just a simple foul.

The phrase "making up your own rules" comes to mind..........again.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

This is how I will handle this from now on. First time, I will wait until next dead ball to call the player over and warn him (unless you can consider this a violation to stop the play dead). If he continues, I will call a blocking charge the next two times. If he does it once more after that then I will T him up.

What do you guys think? I would hate for a kid to foul out when theoretically he would probably be fouling out and not fouling period (flopping without contact). So I was thinking, a "3 strikes and you're out" moment... Warn and two chances to clean it up with just a simple foul.

Here's my recommendation. If you see any contact, I'd be willing to accept a blocking foul on this.
But I prefer a warning.

Just last week, I had a kid pull this. I was C, and as we were heading the other way I go this attention and told him not to do it again. He pretended he didn't know what I was talking about, but he didn't do it again.

If, after one warning, he does it again, ring him up. It'll stop.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by representing

This is how I will handle this from now on. First time, I will wait until next dead ball to call the player over and warn him (unless you can consider this a violation to stop the play dead). If he continues, I will call a blocking charge the next two times. If he does it once more after that then I will T him up.

What do you guys think? I would hate for a kid to foul out when theoretically he would probably be fouling out and not fouling period (flopping without contact). So I was thinking, a "3 strikes and you're out" moment... Warn and two chances to clean it up with just a simple foul.

I would normally ignore these errant pronouncements save for the fact that you are 'representing' every official who walks on a court. I strongly suggest you follow up on your stated desire to hang up your whistle, and that you do so immediately. How can you suggest such a faulty course of action that has absolutely no basis in any rules set extant. The proper treatment for flopping is clearly delineated in the citations presented throughout this thread. You need to learn how to be more detached in the execution of you officiating responsibilities. Leave your emotional baggage in the locker room and refrain from bringing your sh!t into OUR game.

[representing]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I would normally ignore these errant pronouncements save for the fact that you are 'representing' every official who walks on a court. I strongly suggest you follow up on your stated desire to hang up your whistle, and that you do so immediately. How can you suggest such a faulty course of action that has absolutely no basis in any rules set extant. The proper treatment for flopping is clearly delineated in the citations presented throughout this thread. You need to learn how to be more detached in the execution of you officiating responsibilities. Leave your emotional baggage in the locker room and refrain from bringing your sh!t into OUR game.

You're just a coach, remember that

[asdf]

Originally Posted by representing

You're just a coach, remember that

Aren't you embarrassed that "just a coach" knows more about the rules than a legendary icon like you?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I would normally ignore these errant pronouncements save for the fact that you are 'representing' every official who walks on a court. I strongly suggest you follow up on your stated desire to hang up your whistle, and that you do so immediately. How can you suggest such a faulty course of action that has absolutely no basis in any rules set extant. The proper treatment for flopping is clearly delineated in the citations presented throughout this thread. You need to learn how to be more detached in the execution of you officiating responsibilities. Leave your emotional baggage in the locker room and refrain from bringing your sh!t into OUR game.

Let me just say this, in some places, a block on this place is an acceptable way to put a stop to it. Personally, if I were to do it that way, I'd accompany it with a warning to the player letting him know why I called it. Next one is a T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me just say this, in some places, a block on this place is an acceptable way to put a stop to it.

The rulebook ain't one of them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The rulebook ain't one of them.

True, but the rule book doesn't advocate using advantage to determine palming or three seconds; nor does it advocate taking 15 seconds to get to 10 on free throw.

There are other regional practices not explicitly allowed by rule, either.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but the rule book doesn't advocate using advantage to determine palming or three seconds; nor does it advocate taking 15 seconds to get to 10 on free throw.

Good point, but all these thing involve varying degrees of ignoring things that happened. Calling something that didn't happen, imo, is considerably more serious.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The rulebook ain't one of them.

+1

If you call a block instead of the correct call, you're making up your own rules. Flopping, by definition, has no or incidental contact. It's faking being fouled. Blocking is a foul using illegal contact as the criteria. Completely different animals with completely different penalties.

In my experience, the people that advocate calling a block on this situation usually do so because they feel they will get less flak from the coach if they make that call. That's the wrong reason to make any call imo.

My motto is "If I'm gonna make a call, I might as well make the right one."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me just say this, in some places, a block on this place is an acceptable way to put a stop to it. Personally, if I were to do it that way, I'd accompany it with a warning to the player letting him know why I called it. Next one is a T.

Working in one of the areas where officials call a block on a flop, I agree with your claim.

That said, I don't like the call. For one thing, with no contact it's just not a personal foul, and block is the wrong call. For another, you might end up punishing the offense if they might have had a shot and the foul interrupts the game.

I use a version of "wave, warn, whack." The first instance, when I see the player on the floor I'll wave "upward" in a "get up!" signal. The purpose is to signal that I saw the whole play and the flopper ain't gonna get that call. Next time, I verbally warn the player and coach. Then whack.

I've found that just signaling that I saw what happened and passed on the "contact" usually sends a message and it doesn't happen again. This serves the same purpose as a warning (ending the behavior) without slowing the game.

If a verbal warning is necessary, I find that including the coach lays the groundwork if I have to give a T.

Some of you might find that this method has one layer of warning too many (or wouldn't bother with the coach). I understand -- the method certainly isn't in the manual -- but my rationale for it is that nobody calls that T around here, and nobody expects it. So if I'm going to call it, everybody in the gym needs to know that it's coming. YMMV.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by representing

This is how I will handle this from now on. First time, I will wait until next dead ball to call the player over and warn him (unless you can consider this a violation to stop the play dead). If he continues, I will call a blocking charge the next two times. If he does it once more after that then I will T him up.

1) How could you possibly consider this a violation?

2) You don't need to wait for a dead ball to call him over and warn him. Use the "get up" motion (similar to "play on" in soccer, I think) and orally tell him "don't flop."

3) What's a "blocking charge?" Why would you do it two times, and then T? How do you answer the question "Why is this play any different from the first 3 plays?"