Should there have been a whistle?

[Clark Kent]

YouTube - No Call2 2010_01_15_01_56_36.avi



I was lead on this play. As it occurred in the game I felt that I would have been guessing on the play had I blown so I held. Two questions....

First, (a) should there have been a whistle on it? (b) and if so should it have been mine? (c) and what should have been called?

Second, what should I have done if anything to get a better view on the play?

[mbyron]

Four questions for the price of two?

I'll play.

1a. yes
1b. middle of the lane, you could have had a triple whistle. C probably had the best angle.
1c. looks like PC to me.

2. Going wider gives you a better angle.

[deecee]

Player control foul.

Your whistle all the way with help from the T and possibly the C as a final back up.

Pretty much the play originated in your primary and ended in a quasi gray dual coverage zone. But its your call the whole way.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by deecee

Your whistle all the way with help from the T and possibly the C as a final back up.

I would say this is L's with help from C, T as a final back up. C should have a better angle, and it's right on the line between L and C's PCAs.

[rockyroad]

I'm going to disagree with the other posts - sort of. This is a PC foul, imo, but it is the C's call first, and the L's second...

It is a "curl" play into the middle of the key, so the C is going to have the best angle on it. I believe that if the play curls away from one official, that official should lay-off the call and let the official the play is curling toward take it. If the C doesn't get it, then the L needs to...

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I'm going to disagree with the other posts - sort of. This is a PC foul, imo, but it is the C's call first, and the L's second...

It is a "curl" play into the middle of the key, so the C is going to have the best angle on it. I believe that if the play curls away from one official, that official should lay-off the call and let the official the play is curling toward take it. If the C doesn't get it, then the L needs to...

This was my thought also.

[Mr. Ref]

I think you and your brother have too much time on your hands.....

[SamIAm]

1st view = foul charged to A1
2nd -5th view = I don't think A1 displaced B1. If B1 was not looking to draw a foul on A1, I don't think B1 would have been displaced by A1.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I'm going to disagree with the other posts - sort of. This is a PC foul, imo, but it is the C's call first, and the L's second...

It is a "curl" play into the middle of the key, so the C is going to have the best angle on it. I believe that if the play curls away from one official, that official should lay-off the call and let the official the play is curling toward take it. If the C doesn't get it, then the L needs to...

Yup, I can see the player curling into the center. Know what I can't see though? Any of the 3 officials moving to get a better look at the play. Everybody's standing still.

Sometimes all it takes is one little step to get yourself into position to see a play.

Watch Burr sometime. From the lead, he'll step onto the court if he's got room to get a better look at a play in the paint.

[showbo]

From what I saw, PC foul, got the charge, no shot, going the other way.

I am first year, so take mine with a grain of salt .



Oscar

[jdw3018]

From the video, I'd say a PC foul would have been the appropriate call. I don't think the contact is as significant as the defender makes it look, but it was there and the offensive player jumped through the defender. It's your call, but I could also see the C coming in as he should have had a good angle the and play was right in the middle. On any play where the post curls away from you to the middle of the paint, a strong C can get a great look at this play.

Were you screened out by other players, or did you get straight-lined? It looks like you were very tight to the land (in close-down position). Personally, I would have liked to have been wider on this play. It gives you a better angle on plays going to the lane like this and allows you to see the entire play better. On this play in particular it appears you could have gotten screened by the players near the endline if you'd been wide, though. As always, just my thoughts.

[Mark Padgett]

The answer to a, b and c is all the same: "Depends on what the spread was".

[JPaco54]

It seems pretty clear to me - PC and somebody should have called it L or C or T...they all seemd in good position to call something...so nobody calls anything? This one does not need a lot of over analyzing...Some we miss. Thanks for the video, always a great tool to learn by.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

YouTube - No Call2 2010_01_15_01_56_36.avi


I was lead on this play. As it occurred in the game I felt that I would have been guessing on the play had I blown so I held. Two questions....

First, (a) should there have been a whistle on it? (b) and if so should it have been mine? (c) and what should have been called?

Second, what should I have done if anything to get a better view on the play?

(a). Yes

(b). No, center should have first shot on curl plays away from the endline or L

(c). Player Control

What you should have done is work a little wider when you have room on the endline.

A point:

Personally, I don't like hugging the sidelines. I like working the floor as the C and T, if I cannot see between two players, I move to where I can, and if that means stepping on the floor more thats what I do.

I remember someone mentioning to me. A basketball official should have a boxing referee mentality. Always working to see in between the two boxers/players.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Personally, I don't like hugging the sidelines. I like working the floor as the C and T, if I cannot see between two players, I move to where I can, and if that means stepping on the floor more thats what I do.

I remember someone mentioning to me. A basketball official should have a boxing referee mentality. Always working to see in between the two boxers/players.

I concur but I've also been told (by whom I don't recall) that I move too much, so I assume there is a happy medium.