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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 10:14pm
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Where the hell would you ever get the idea that a timer has power to do any more than keep time?
I have stated this in other postings, that I've been told before by officials that I've worked with that the table crew is an extension of the officiating crew.

The primary duty of the timer is to keep track of the time, yes, however there can be more to those duties depending on the game management & instructions given.
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 10:21pm
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I have stated this in other postings, that I've been told before by officials that I've worked with that the table crew is an extension of the officiating crew.

The primary duty of the timer is to keep track of the time, yes, however there can be more to those duties depending on the game management & instructions given.
While you're an extension of the crew, you are not officials and you do not have the same authority officials have. An assistant coach is an extension of the coaching staff, but he does not have the same priveleges as the HC.

And if a timer ever approached me to discuss my partner's behavior or calls, I'd have a talk with the AD from that school the next morning.
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 10:28pm
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While you're an extension of the crew, you are not officials and you do not have the same authority officials have. An assistant coach is an extension of the coaching staff, but he does not have the same priveleges as the HC.

And if a timer ever approached me to discuss my partner's behavior or calls, I'd have a talk with the AD from that school the next morning.
For me it would be casual questioning, just to have a clearer understanding of what could/should be done differently from my POV, as well as the official's POV.

I never said have the same authority as the officials, those times I have mentioned something to the officials about something I have observed, I leave the final decision to them on how to act on what I'm talking about.
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Old Tue Jan 12, 2010, 06:33am
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For me it would be casual questioning,...
Leading to a formal admonishment and subsequent toss...

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.....a clearer understanding of what could/should be done differently ...as the official's POV...
Can't imagine anything, other than an earlier warning and toss.

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...I leave the final decision to them on how to act on what I'm talking about.
Have you ever made it that far without getting tossed?
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Old Tue Jan 12, 2010, 02:27pm
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Leading to a formal admonishment and subsequent toss...

Can't imagine anything, other than an earlier warning and toss.

Have you ever made it that far without getting tossed?
I haven't been tossed from table duties, as I've never given the officials any reason to toss me.
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Old Tue Jan 12, 2010, 02:30pm
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I haven't been tossed from table duties, as I've never given the officials any reason to toss me.
Then there are a few options to explain this.

1. You're coming across to the officials much differently than your words imply.
2. Officials there are taking way too much direction from the timer.
3. They're ignoring you. FWIW, "ignoring" can mean answering in platitudes because it's easier than telling you to drop it.
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Old Tue Jan 12, 2010, 02:40pm
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Then there are a few options to explain this.

1. You're coming across to the officials much differently than your words imply.
2. Officials there are taking way too much direction from the timer.
3. They're ignoring you. FWIW, "ignoring" can mean answering in platitudes because it's easier than telling you to drop it.
When I say stuff concerning rules/regulations, it doesn't happen every game, normally just one or two games a year. So that is something I'm not doing all the time.

I mention what I see as observations not anything else, as I leave it up to the officials to make the final decision on what action to take.
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The primary duty of the timer is to keep track of the time, yes, however there can be more to those duties depending on the game management & instructions given.
Like, "Hey, bring me a water little fella." Or more appropriately, "You are to bring me a water at each quarter break, those are your instructions."

Nobody is indespensible, well almost nobody. No scorer? No problem, just bring down someone's Mom who knows the game outa the stands, show her what the buttons do, and we'll get by. No coach? Not a problem, The AD can fill in, or the Principle, play ball. No players? That could be a limiting factor. No game officials? One shows up, lets play. None at all, we got a liability problem, game canceled.
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