Delay of Game Warning??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'm no Bob Jenkins, bit I'd be comfy with calling 4-20


ART. 14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists
of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with
the spirit of fair play.

Yep, but that's not for "unauthorized leaving the court."

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, but that's not for "unauthorized leaving the court."

Sorry, didn't read it through. That said, 4-20 art 14 is all you need and is a broad umbrella.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, but that's not for "unauthorized leaving the court."

Agree, this would be like punishing twice for the same offense if you have already T'd them IAW Rule 10.

[Adam]

Had a play a couple of years ago where, with about 4 or 5 seconds left, the trailing team hit a three to close within 1 point; but they were out of timeouts.

They tried stepping out of bounds to draw the DOG warning, but my partner (lead) rightly ignored it.

Coach just shrugged his shoulders as the clock ran out.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Had a play a couple of years ago where, with about 4 or 5 seconds left, the trailing team hit a three to close within 1 point; but they were out of timeouts.

They tried stepping out of bounds to draw the DOG warning, but my partner (lead) rightly ignored it.

Coach just shrugged his shoulders as the clock ran out.

Snaqs,
Just curious. In this situation, Team A (the team I coach ) has just made the three to pull within one. Shockingly , I failed to keep a timeout for such a situation and only have "Webers" left. But, seeing that there are under five seconds remaining, I IMMEDIATELY and LOUDLY signal for a timeout, knowing that it will result in a technical foul. If the ball is still in the net on its downward flight, are you going to grant this timeout? If not, what is your rule reference for ignoring it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Snaqs,
Just curious. In this situation, Team A (the team I coach ) has just made the three to pull within one. Shockingly , I failed to keep a timeout for such a situation and only have "Webers" left. But, seeing that there are under five seconds remaining, I IMMEDIATELY and LOUDLY signal for a timeout, knowing that it will result in a technical foul. If the ball is still in the net on its downward flight, are you going to grant this timeout? If not, what is your rule reference for ignoring it?

Nope, a TO can't be legally granted because the ball isn't dead yet until it clears the net. And you knew that(semantics- but still important rules-wise).

Now once the ball clears the net......

Different scenarios.....

1) A TO request that was legally made should always be granted. Whether the actual TO granted was legal or not is a whole' nother matter. So no, you don't ignore a legal TO request.

2) If the team that just scored now wants to get a DOG warning charged though, then you go by the direction of casebook play 9.3.3SitD-COMMENT

Apples and oranges iow...

Note that I answered for SNAQs because I know he'd give you basically the same answer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Note that I answered for SNAQs because I know he'd give you basically the same answer.

Yep, but a bit more slowly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Snaqs,
Just curious. In this situation, Team A (the team I coach ) has just made the three to pull within one. Shockingly , I failed to keep a timeout for such a situation and only have "Webers" left. But, seeing that there are under five seconds remaining, I IMMEDIATELY and LOUDLY signal for a timeout, knowing that it will result in a technical foul. If the ball is still in the net on its downward flight, are you going to grant this timeout? If not, what is your rule reference for ignoring it?

I will grant it for three reasons.

1. I'm not perceptive enough at this point to determine that the ball has not yet passed through the net, so I'll probably think it's through.
2. There is no case play or rule stating that I can ignore a timeout request that is made at the appropriate time.
3. (secondarily) The penalty for the excess timeout is sufficient that you won't benefit from this tactic. It's also the same penalty the book prescribes if you cannot ignore the violation.