Game Clock

[Zoochy]

Game clock reads 5:35. Horn buzzes on the dead ball. Official goes to the table. Timer tells the official he believes he placed 7 minutes on the clock insted of 8 minutes to start the quarter. If the officials can recall that the period did start with the incorrect time, then can the game clock be changed?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Timmer tells the official.....

Was it Bob Timmer or Fred Timmer?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Was it Bob Timmer or Fred Timmer?

It was Tiny Timmer.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It was Tiny Timmer.

That's Fred's nickname. He weighs over 300.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Game clock reads 5:35. Horn buzzes on the dead ball. Official goes to the table. Timmer tells the official he believes he placed 7 minutes on the clock insted of 8 minutes to start the quarter. If the officials can recall that the period did start with the incorrect time, then can the game clock be changed?

Yes, scorer's errors can be corrected at any time. What are the odds, though, that an official will know the quarter started with 7:00 on the clock and didn't correct it then? (Assuming it wasn't Padgett.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

That's Fred's nickname. He weighs over 300.

God Bless us, every one.

[Mark Padgett]

Here's a picture of Fred with his wife when he was on the Tonight Show because he lost over 150 pounds.

[tjones1]

Great example of why I check the clock before the start of the game, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters (and OT if it applies) before I give the green light to make the ball live.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zoochy

game clock reads 5:35. Horn buzzes on the dead ball. Official goes to the table. Timer tells the official he believes he placed 7 minutes on the clock insted of 8 minutes to start the quarter. If the officials can recall that the period did start with the incorrect time, then can the game clock be changed?

5.7.3

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

5.7.3

Ok, couple of questions regarding this case play - first, it specifically mentions the lenght of the extra period is incorrect. Does this mean it only applies to extra periods, and not the 1st - 4th quarters? I would think, logically, it applies to all periods, but then why does it only specifically mention the extra period?

Second, according to that case play, it appears if the clock is set for more than the required time, we will end up playing more than the total required time, but if the clock was set at under the required time, we will only play a total of the required time. Iow, if the clock was set at 5:00, when it should've been 4:00, and :45 runs off before it's noticed, we then set the clock to 4:00 and play on. (Which means the total time played would end up 4 minutes and 45 seconds.) Logically, I would think we take 4:00, subtract off the :45 played, and start from 3:15, using "definite information" principles.

But, if we started at 3:00 instead of 4:00, and :45 runs off, we would correct it to the correct time of 3:15, and the total time played would be only the 4 minutes.

I wonder why the disparity in the two situations?

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Iow, if the clock was set at 5:00, when it should've been 4:00, and :45 runs off before it's noticed, we then set the clock to 4:00 and play on. (Which means the total time played would end up 4 minutes and 45 seconds.) Logically, I would think we take 4:00, subtract off the :45 played, and start from 3:15, using "definite information" principles.

But, if we started at 3:00 instead of 4:00, and :45 runs off, we would correct it to the correct time of 3:15, and the total time played would be only the 4 minutes.

I wonder why the disparity in the two situations?

Say it was accidentally set at 5:00 when it should've been 4:00. It is noticed at 0:48 with the visitors down by one going to the line to shoot two free throws. Are you going to wipe the remaining time off? What if the home team's go-ahead basket came at 0:56, are you going to wipe that off to and revert back to the score at 1:00?

Thus the disparity.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Say it was accidentally set at 5:00 when it should've been 4:00. It is noticed at 0:48 with the visitors down by one going to the line to shoot two free throws. Are you going to wipe the remaining time off? What if the home team's go-ahead basket came at 0:56, are you going to wipe that off to and revert back to the score at 1:00?

Thus the disparity.

First, I don't believe there's any basis to "wipe off" any action that has already occured, so any baskets, FT's, fouls, etc. will stand. Second, I believe the case says if we started with more time than allowed, and it is discovered after the correct time has passed, then no correction is allowed. So, in your play, V will be at the line for 2 FT's, down one, with 0:48 left to play.

I would think this would be a real stretch, though, to have that much time come off before someone recognizes the original error.

[M&M Guy]

5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or, (b) less than 4 minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches 4 minutes, the clock shall be set at 4 minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching 4 minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a 4-minute period.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

First, I don't believe there's any basis to "wipe off" any action that has already occured, so any baskets, FT's, fouls, etc. will stand. Second, I believe the case says if we started with more time than allowed, and it is discovered after the correct time has passed, then no correction is allowed. So, in your play, V will be at the line for 2 FT's, down one, with 0:48 left to play.

I would think this would be a real stretch, though, to have that much time come off before someone recognizes the original error.

Right. I'm saying that my example is why you can't reduce the time beyond dropping it down to what the starting amount should have been.

[grunewar]

C'mon, where is our resident "table expert" when we need him? This is his opportunity to shine.......