Valid rule interpreation RE: backcourt violation

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not sure how, to be honest.
The rule says a team must be the last to touch the ball "before" it goes into the back court and the first to touch it "after" it goes into the back court.

You have three events, really.
1. Ball is touched before it goes into the BC.
2. Ball goes into the BC.
3. Ball is touched after it goes into the BC.

How is it possible for all of these events to be wrapped into one, with A1 catching the ball in the BC.

The ball batted in the air across the division line from frontcourt to backcourt does not have backcourt status while it is in the air. Similar to the ball being batting in the air across an endline/sideline--when does the ball achieve OOB status?

I'm sure this has been debated here before.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The ball batted in the air across the division line from frontcourt to backcourt does not have backcourt status while it is in the air. Similar to the ball being batting in the air across an endline/sideline--when does the ball achieve OOB status?

I'm sure this has been debated here before.

Which is exactly the same as the interp we're talking about. The ball doesn't gain BC status until A1 catches it; yet somehow he was also the last to touch it before he caught it?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Which is exactly the same as the interp we're talking about. The ball doesn't gain BC status until A1 catches it; yet somehow he was also the last to touch it before he caught it?

Ball had frontcourt status until A1 touched it, so A1 caused the ball to go into the backcourt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ball had frontcourt status until A1 touched it, so A1 caused the ball to go into the backcourt.

So you're going to call a violation on the dribbler in my alternate play?

And if the rule said it was illegal to cause the ball to go into the backcourt, you'd be correct.

But it doesn't.

[Adam]

Just for reference, here's the rule:
9-9-1

A player shall not be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the front court, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the front court before it went to the backcourt.

There are two provisions of this rule that are not met in the interp play.
1. No player from A was the last to touch or be touched by the ball in the front court.
2. No player from A was the last to touch or be touched by the ball before it went into the back court.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So you're going to call a violation on the dribbler in my alternate play?

And if the rule said it was illegal to cause the ball to go into the backcourt, you'd be correct.

But it doesn't.

Your play is the same as A1 (b/c status) passing the ball across the division line and B1 (f/c status) jumps and deflects the ball back to A1 who catches it. Depending on interpretation it could be a backcourt violation.

In your 2 provisions above, I can agree with you on #1. But #2 not so because the ball is not in the backcourt until A1 touches it. So simultaneous events are occurring.

BTW, I'm glad you and I are having this discussion. I went out to my car to get the rule book out my bag, and guess what!!! My bag is not in my trunk!!!

I asked my son to put my bags in the trunk this morning as we were leaving the house and he only grabbed my workout bag. Luckily my game is only 10 minutes from my house. I get off at 5 and the game starts at 7. (And if it were impossible to get home I do have a backup bag that stays in my car, but all the items are old so I wouldn't be the best looking official)

[Adam]

How does it constitute a violation? Please see post #25 on this.

I'm going to double check mine at lunch now, just to make sure everything is in it.