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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 03:22am
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I think that it would be best to wait for a dead ball at which the clock is also stopped, so don't do it after a made basket, and then get the attention of the officials.

If the table crew is being hassled by anyone, I would want to know about it, especially if they believe that it is negatively impacting their duties.
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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 03:35am
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I think that it would be best to wait for a dead ball at which the clock is also stopped, so don't do it after a made basket, and then get the attention of the officials.

If the table crew is being hassled by anyone, I would want to know about it, especially if they believe that it is negatively impacting their duties.
As far as I'm concerned anymore a dead ball is between intermissions, during time-outs, & after reporting a foul but b4 the free throws or throw-in (AKA Clock is not running).

This was the 1st time that I can remember that the visiting coaches were so vocal against the table crew.
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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 04:34am
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As far as I'm concerned anymore a dead ball is between intermissions, during time-outs, & after reporting a foul but b4 the free throws or throw-in (AKA Clock is not running).

This was the 1st time that I can remember that the visiting coaches were so vocal against the table crew.
That may be your defintion but it is not correct.

It is also dead on a made basket after the ball drops through the basket and stays dead until the throw-in team has the ball OOB for a throwin (or the official feels they should have had the ball OOB for a throwin).

It is also dead the moment the official blows the whistle for a foul (or until an airborne shooter lands)....not just after the foul is reported.
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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 04:50am
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That may be your defintion but it is not correct.

It is also dead on a made basket after the ball drops through the basket and stays dead until the throw-in team has the ball OOB for a throwin (or the official feels they should have had the ball OOB for a throwin).

It is also dead the moment the official blows the whistle for a foul (or until an airborne shooter lands)....not just after the foul is reported.
Not true.
Not correct, again.
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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 06:13am
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That may be your defintion but it is not correct.

It is also dead on a made basket after the ball drops through the basket and stays dead until the throw-in team has the ball OOB for a throwin (or the official feels they should have had the ball OOB for a throwin).

It is also dead the moment the official blows the whistle for a foul (or until an airborne shooter lands)....not just after the foul is reported.
Cameron,

My definition of a dead ball is from a timer's POV. How I see a dead ball situation is that no player has control of the ball for a throw-in or free throw attempt (after a foul, during a time-out, or intermission). If the clock is running, the ball is not dead, unless a running clock rule is in effect (as the clock only stops for time-outs or intermissions).

IOW, when the timer can buzz the officials to signal that a substitute is waiting at the table or when play is stopped.

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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 01:26pm
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Cameron,

My definition of a dead ball is from a timer's POV. How I see a dead ball situation is that no player has control of the ball for a throw-in or free throw attempt (after a foul, during a time-out, or intermission). If the clock is running, the ball is not dead, unless a running clock rule is in effect (as the clock only stops for time-outs or intermissions).

IOW, when the timer can buzz the officials to signal that a substitute is waiting at the table or when play is stopped.
Perhaps you should use the correct definitions and terminology...even as a timer. You're mixing two things....dead/live ball and running/stopped clock. All four combinations are possible. The proper time that a timer can buzz for subs when the ball is dead AND the clock is stopped. If either of those is not true, then no subs can be made.
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Old Sun Jan 03, 2010, 09:25pm
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You're mixing two things....dead/live ball and running/stopped clock.
And you are confusing dead/live ball situations yourself as I pointed out in my previous post in this thread. You are mistaken about when the ball becomes dead in foul situations as well as the impact of an airborne shooter.
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