Coaches questioning table crew

[chseagle]

Had several situations happen tonight where the visiting coaches were questioning the table crew.

Majority of the complaints was due to the shot clock.

For example: Girls' Varsity, Home shoots the ball with 1 sec. left on shot clock, air ball, visiting team had the rebound yet shot clock violation was going to be called if this was going to be a CE, however officials called it as a NCE due to play continuing. In this case, the visiting coach was trying to say a shot clock violation due to the air ball, however her team had the ball when the buzzer sounded before the reset happened. as her team had control off the rebound.

Can coaches question the officials concerning the shot clock, if the shot clock operator was unable to reset the shot clock due to interference from the coach yelling?

[Nevadaref]

The coaches can and will question anything which they can during a game. It is matter of what the officials will allow. Personally, I don't permit the coaches to yell at the table crew. They are my teammates for that time, and I would treat it the same as if they were hollering at me or my partner.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coaches can and will question anything which they can during a game. It is matter of what the officials will allow. Personally, I don't permit the coaches to yell at the table crew. They are my teammates for that time, and I would treat it the same as if they were hollering at me or my partner.

Nevada,

Another question for you, & anyone else who wants to answer. Should &/or can the table crew during a dead ball, buzz the officials if they feel that the coach is hindering table operations?

[Nevadaref]

I think that it would be best to wait for a dead ball at which the clock is also stopped, so don't do it after a made basket, and then get the attention of the officials.

If the table crew is being hassled by anyone, I would want to know about it, especially if they believe that it is negatively impacting their duties.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I think that it would be best to wait for a dead ball at which the clock is also stopped, so don't do it after a made basket, and then get the attention of the officials.

If the table crew is being hassled by anyone, I would want to know about it, especially if they believe that it is negatively impacting their duties.

As far as I'm concerned anymore a dead ball is between intermissions, during time-outs, & after reporting a foul but b4 the free throws or throw-in (AKA Clock is not running).

This was the 1st time that I can remember that the visiting coaches were so vocal against the table crew.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As far as I'm concerned anymore a dead ball is between intermissions, during time-outs, & after reporting a foul but b4 the free throws or throw-in (AKA Clock is not running).

This was the 1st time that I can remember that the visiting coaches were so vocal against the table crew.

That may be your defintion but it is not correct.

It is also dead on a made basket after the ball drops through the basket and stays dead until the throw-in team has the ball OOB for a throwin (or the official feels they should have had the ball OOB for a throwin).

It is also dead the moment the official blows the whistle for a foul (or until an airborne shooter lands)....not just after the foul is reported.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Can coaches question the officials concerning the shot clock, if the shot clock operator was unable to reset the shot clock due to interference from the coach yelling?

I'm at a loss to see how the coach calling for a violation prevented the operator from resetting the clock.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm at a loss to see how the coach calling for a violation prevented the operator from resetting the clock.

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

Where's crowd control when you really need 'em?

[Forksref]

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Forksref

At a game in Fremont, OH. The visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out.

I thought chseagle worked in Connell, Washington; not Fremont, Ohio.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

Sounds like an assault to me. I agree it would be wrong for table personnel to make comments to the players, but even if they did it doesn't justify a physical assault. The coach is lucky he didn't leave the gym in handcuffs.

Here it would be considered gross unsportsmanlike conduct - flagrant T/immediate ejection of the visiting coach, report to the state and very likely the end of his HS coaching career.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

I was keeping the book at an AAU tournament and the visitors scorer was all about cheering and booing. A foul was reported and I duly noted it, she thought the kid fouled out and the official came over to sort it out. I think my neutral stance went a long way toward the official going with my book. [I did not say anything to her although I sure wanted to. If you are going to keep the book, shut up about how Johnny is doing or who might be fouling him.]

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

First of all, coaches yell all the time, what's new. Why would this prevent sc operator from resetting clock? These situations are getting really annoying.

[fullor30]

Part of Chseagle table crew, shot clock operator