Kentucky/Louisville

[johnSandlin]

Well then lets all do this, let us all try to convince the SEC or Big East to let any three of us work this game next year, and if the same situation happens, see if any of us as a crew has the guts to do what in some people's minds should have been done.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, I am going to side with this officiating crew before anything else.

Oh "icallfouls", I would be shocked if this crew faced penalties for the way the handled that situation. If they had not been calling fouls early, and this happened, then I might agree with you. But, this crew came out putting air in the whistle early and often, thus I do not think they will face penalties.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

Well then lets all do this, let us all try to convince the SEC or Big East to let any three of us work this game next year, and if the same situation happens, see if any of us as a crew has the guts to do what in some people's minds should have been done.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, I am going to side with this officiating crew before anything else.

That's a BS cop-out response, with all due respect.

The big-timers should be subject to the same scrutiny and accountability as everybody else.

They easily could have covered that play better. I'm not saying I've never made mistakes like that, but then again, this thread isn't discussing my mistakes or potential mistakes. Greene, Shows, and the third guy (?) have done more big games than I'll ever do - but dismissing criticism based on that is less than lame. You can bet the observer, if there is one, and/or their supervisor, will not be dismissing it, and will mention it as part of their critique.

The big guys screw-up too. It's a fact of life.

PS - penalties over it? C'mon, as if.

[icallfouls]

johnsandlin

Please open your mind. I only said consequences. As far as we know it could be something as simple as double secret probation. But for sure there will be some discussion on the matter.

In most conferences, the assignors policy is that for any T foul called by the crew, the calling official is to inform the assignor directly within a certain time frame so that the assignor can have time to review it as necessary. They will discuss it and there will be a video review. The assignor will tell the official(s) personally as to what their opinion is. That will basically be it. However, if the SEC was responsible for providing the officials, lately they have taken to commenting in public on the actions of their officials.

I have a couple of friends that work a serious D1 schedule and have been told that things like this can affect league tournament placement, NIT, or NCAA tournament games.

Absolutely the big hitters get the benefit of the doubt, but no one is excused completely these days. Too many people want their pound of flesh.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

Well then lets all do this, let us all try to convince the SEC or Big East to let any three of us work this game next year, and if the same situation happens, see if any of us as a crew has the guts to do what in some people's minds should have been done.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. However, I am going to side with this officiating crew before anything else.

Oh "icallfouls", I would be shocked if this crew faced penalties for the way the handled that situation. If they had not been calling fouls early, and this happened, then I might agree with you. But, this crew came out putting air in the whistle early and often, thus I do not think they will face penalties.

Originally Posted by icallfouls

johnsandlin

Please open your mind. I only said consequences. As far as we know it could be something as simple as double secret probation. But for sure there will be some discussion on the matter.

In most conferences, the assignors policy is that for any T foul called by the crew, the calling official is to inform the assignor directly within a certain time frame so that the assignor can have time to review it as necessary. They will discuss it and there will be a video review. The assignor will tell the official(s) personally as to what their opinion is. That will basically be it. However, if the SEC was responsible for providing the officials, lately they have taken to commenting in public on the actions of their officials.

I have a couple of friends that work a serious D1 schedule and have been told that things like this can affect league tournament placement, NIT, or NCAA tournament games.

Absolutely the big hitters get the benefit of the doubt, but no one is excused completely these days. Too many people want their pound of flesh.

...was Cahill, I believe.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

A Forearm to the head against a guy flat on the floor...

That move is completely legal ... in the UFC.

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

...was Cahill, I believe.

Tough week for him.

[dahoopref]

As a result of this play, KY #15 shot 2 FTs and KY got the ball out of bounds on the baseline.

A total of 3 Ts were given out on this play. Whistle was blown for the jumpball and the ball is dead. After seeing his teammate get elbowed, Louisville #12 gets the first T (issued by Greene) for pulling KY #15 off the pile. Louisville #21 (the player involved with the jumpball and victim of elbow) got the 2nd T (issued by Shows) for shoving KY #15.

Only after the crew looks at the replay do they issue a T to KY #15.

1) My questions are why only 2 FTs were issued? Did the crew determine after the replay that KY #15 and L'ville #21 was a double T?

2) The T by L'ville #12 occurred after a dead ball which involved contact in a non-flagrant manner. Should play resume at the division line for KY on the throw-in?

[dbking]

Foul enforcement:

The two fouls were offsetting, not double, per rule 10-5. All three fouls would have been Class A fouls. Since it was not a single foul, the resumption of play will be POI.

[jsblanton]

The whole crew missed the guy from Louisville sitting on top of Cousins' when the scrum started. I have started calling more fouls during loose balls and not letting kids dive on top of each other for loose balls. So many times several refs call a held ball instead of a foul.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by dbking

Foul enforcement:

The two fouls were offsetting, not double, per rule 10-5. All three fouls would have been Class A fouls. Since it was not a single foul, the resumption of play will be POI.

Thanks for your answer and agree with the offsetting Ts.

Could you clarify your above statement about the "single foul"?

Are you referring to the contact dead ball technical foul by L'ville #12? As I understand it the resumption of play is throw-in to the offended team (Ky) at the division line (with reset of the shot-clock).

[johnSandlin]

To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.

So are you saying we don't have the right to state what we'd have called based on the video? That's how it's coming across.

[johnSandlin]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So are you saying we don't have the right to state what we'd have called based on the video? That's how it's coming across.

No I am not saying that, I am saying that we do not have the right to judge the officiating crew. And in reading some of these posts, I think that is what is being done.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

No I am not saying that, I am saying that we do not have the right to judge the officiating crew. And in reading some of these posts, I think that is what is being done.

How do you define passing judgment? I see people who think they should have called a flagrant; that's the opinions of the posters. Is that what you call passing judgment?

[howie719]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

To those who think my previous comment was a BS cop-out...Why do you feel that way? My point is this.......I am not at all saying that just because this officiating crew consisted of some of the top officials in the country, that they are above the law to be disciplined. No one is in this business.

I was saying unless we were right there to hear them talk to each other about what they saw on the replay and then discuss with each other what they were going to do, then I think we cannot stand in judgment of their decision of the way they handled it.

I personally think some of my comments from earlier were taken out of context. If they were not explained better, then I am sorry for that.

My point is this....if this happend to any one of us, and real time is all you had....it would be difficult to get this perfect. Having said that we had several angels and slow motion. I can't see how you can come to the conclusion they did. Unless they don't have the replay we have. If that kind of a blow to the head doesn't warrant an ejection what does?

[johnSandlin]

Originally Posted by howie719

My point is this....if this happend to any one of us, and real time is all you had....it would be difficult to get this perfect. Having said that we had several angels and slow motion. I can't see how you can come to the conclusion they did. Unless they don't have the replay we have. If that kind of a blow to the head doesn't warrant an ejection what does?

As odd as this may sound, they (officiating crews) sometimes do not have all of the angles the home viewing audience has.

Also, what else was Cahill involved with this past week?