Signaling of Bonus

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was asking about the player fouls on the board, as I've seen it done in the past where the officials have noticed that the board lists a player with 5 fouls before the book says anything. So it can help expedite a game.

We're not concerned with tracking individual fouls. Whether or not they are displayed on the scoreboard is irrelevant as it's not official - by rule we have to be notified by the official book when a player DQ's on fouls, then there is a specific procedure that we must follow. A few seconds here or there isn't significant.

We really aren't concerned with tracking team fouls either, but it is useful to know when a team is getting close to the bonus or double bonus situation. That said, we still have to confirm it with the official book.

sseltser wasn't being facetious - with the exception of the time, everything else displayed on the scoreboard, while it may be useful, is not official. When push comes to shove, it's what is in the official book that counts.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

We're not concerned with tracking individual fouls. Whether or not they are displayed on the scoreboard is irrelevant as it's not official - by rule we have to be notified by the official book when a player DQ's on fouls, then there is a specific procedure that we must follow. A few seconds here or there isn't significant.

We really aren't concerned with tracking team fouls either, but it is useful to know when a team is getting close to the bonus or double bonus situation. That said, we still have to confirm it with the official book.

sseltser wasn't being facetious - with the exception of the time, everything else displayed on the scoreboard, while it may be useful, is not official. When push comes to shove, it's what is in the official book that counts.

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else. This way the scorebook would have to be relied on 100%, instead of the coaches looking at the scoreboard for information.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else. This way the scorebook would have to be relied on 100%, instead of the coaches looking at the scoreboard for information.

No you won't.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else. This way the scorebook would have to be relied on 100%, instead of the coaches looking at the scoreboard for information.

Until I remove you, of course.

I'm spoiled, I guess. I work pretty much only varsity and juco ball these days, so we always have team fouls on the board. We signal each other at 6 and 9 and we're almost never surprised by a bonus situation.

I don't care about the bonus light on the scoreboard or at the table or at the reporting of the individual fouls on the board as I don't even look there.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Until I remove you, of course.

And then of course he'd just move to "crowd control" and provide the coaches, trainer, table, parents, EMT's, ambulance drivers, and the officials "advice" for the rest of the game......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else. This way the scorebook would have to be relied on 100%, instead of the coaches looking at the scoreboard for information.

You're joking, right? I'm asking this before I tell you what I really think of this idea.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're joking, right? I'm asking this before I tell you what I really think of this idea.

Yes I am joking. Although it wouldn't surprise me if no one noticed since we don't get large crowds for C-Squad games.

If I was to do it, it'd be during a C-Squad game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yes I am joking. Although it wouldn't surprise me if no one noticed since we don't get large crowds for C-Squad games.

If I was to do it, it'd be during a C-Squad game.

Good, I can delete that paragraph I wrote about a power trip.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yes I am joking. Although it wouldn't surprise me if no one noticed since we don't get large crowds for C-Squad games.

If I was to do it, it'd be during a C-Squad game.

Glad to hear it - in the future you might want to use an emoticon to indicate that though......

A visible game clock and scoreboard are mandatory per rule 1-15 and an alternate device must be available in the event of malfunction.

No one said that the information on the scoreboard isn't useful...just that except for the clock, it's technically not official. By rule we have to confirm with the official scorekeeper. Mistooks happen - that's why the rules recommend the timer and scorekeeper be next to each other at the table so they can confer with each other. I take it one step further - if both teams have a book (and they should), I want both books to sit near enough to each other at the table that they can cross check to make sure everyone is on the same page.

While on the subject of the official book, most folks assume the home book is the official book - it usually is, but not necessarily. By rule, the referee is responsible for designating the official book.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Glad to hear it - in the future you might want to use an emoticon to indicate that though......

1: A visible game clock and scoreboard are mandatory per rule 1-15 and an alternate device must be available in the event of malfunction.

2: No one said that the information on the scoreboard isn't useful...just that except for the clock, it's technically not official. By rule we have to confirm with the official scorekeeper. Mistooks happen - that's why the rules recommend the timer and scorekeeper be next to each other at the table so they can confer with each other. I take it one step further - if both teams have a book (and they should), I want both books to sit near enough to each other at the table that they can cross check to make sure everyone is on the same page.

3: While on the subject of the official book, most folks assume the home book is the official book - it usually is, but not necessarily. By rule, the referee is responsible for designating the official book.

1. If the scoreboard wasn't needed, it wouldn't be there in the 1st place. During the 4A Regionals last February, we had to use alternative devices due to technical difficulties with the scoreboard. For the timing of the game we were using stopwatches & IPhones. For the buzzer, the PA Announcer would either imitate a buzzer or say "end of period/quarter/half" over the PA.

2. I covered this under another topic. For the Varsity games at my alma mater, both books are seating right next to one another with the timer/scorebaord right next to the home book (official scorer). I am going to be implementing a similar table setup the next time I do the JV & C-Squad games (especially since for those games, it's normally a student designated by the coach that does the scorebook).

3. Generally yes it's the home book that is the official book, however there are a few exceptions, like the one time when I was Boys' Basketball Manager & we were the visiting team. In this instance the home team didn't have a scorebook, so I became the official book. I've never actually seen the officials fully designate an official book except in the case that there's only one book present.

[Adam]

Normally, I go and just verify. "Which one of you is the official book?" This is designating, IMO, and it tells me which face I need to address when I report.

Frankly, your first point contradicts itself. It's not "necessary" as evidenced by your ability to work without it. Notice you didn't use an alternative score display. It's definitely beneficial, but hardly necessary.