Similar to Welpe's situation

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by representing

How dare you?! You don't even ****ing know me. I had one bad game last year, that was it. Officiating is my primary job right now, I don't do anything else. It is one of the things I love to do the most.

You say time doesn't matter, neither does it matter to me. if there's .01 second left on a clock and a coach says something to me, I'll T him up even if he's down by 50!

That's it, end of discussion, I'm done for now. I got a game tonight and will be back on afterward if anything unusual comes up.

Now that you have shown some passion for the game, read what you wrote again. I didn't make my comments based on anything other than what you said.

If you really want to end the discussion I think the OP has the ability to delete a thread. But I hope you didn't think I would read what you wrote and think the discussion was over. Sorry if I upset you.

[representing]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Now that you have shown some passion for the game, read what you wrote again. I didn't make my comments based on anything other than what you said.

If you really want to end the discussion I think the OP has the ability to delete a thread. But I hope you didn't think I would read what you wrote and think the discussion was over. Sorry if I upset you.

No, I knew it was going to get some responses. And I apologize for flipping out like that.

I know I said "I couldn't wait for the game to be over" but I didn't mean it as in "hey, let's get this game over and head to the bar asap!". I meant it as in "once this game is over I can go back to the locker room and just relax". But like you gave the T in .6 seconds left, if something came up with just seconds left, then I would have dealt with it regardless of a close game or not. I can't remember if it was a close game or not, but since I'm remembering emotions were high, I'm assuming it was a pretty close game.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by representing

No, I knew it was going to get some responses. And I apologize for flipping out like that.

I know I said "I couldn't wait for the game to be over" but I didn't mean it as in "hey, let's get this game over and head to the bar asap!". I meant it as in "once this game is over I can go back to the locker room and just relax". But like you gave the T in .6 seconds left, if something came up with just seconds left, then I would have dealt with it regardless of a close game or not. I can't remember if it was a close game or not, but since I'm remembering emotions were high, I'm assuming it was a pretty close game.

I admit to being a literal person a lot and you continue to confuse me. You are saying you would deal with a situation regardless, but this whole thread is based on a situation you had that you did NOT deal with. Is there something I'm missing?

[representing]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I admit to being a literal person a lot and you continue to confuse me. You are saying you would deal with a situation regardless, but this whole thread is based on a situation you had that you did NOT deal with. Is there something I'm missing?

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't deal with it then because at the time I didn't know exactly when that player is a bench player and didn't want to wrongfully make the coach sit. I was talking with my partner and the V officials after the game about it. I'm going to be honest about what i would have done, but I now know this isn't correct.

report personal foul
report technical foul
indirect technical to the coach (when table let me know player had 5 fouls, I would've said to the coach that this is his 5th foul, and he had to sit because he was a benched player during the technical situation)
coach sits
two team fouls total for both personal and technical
fouled shooter gets 2 FT, team gets 2 FT
Ball at half-court.

That is what I would have done, but now I know that everything is correct except for the indirect technical to coach and that he sits. I also probably should give the player a flagrant technical foul instead of a technical. Then, the ball would be taken out-of-bounds underneath the basket to the team who just shot the free-throws because of the flagrant foul.

does this clear things up (not sarcastic)?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by representing

I also probably should give the player a flagrant technical foul instead of a technical. Then, the ball would be taken out-of-bounds underneath the basket to the team who just shot the free-throws because of the flagrant foul.

does this clear things up (not sarcastic)?

Oh boy. It clarifies something but not what you were hoping for.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by representing

the ball would be taken out-of-bounds underneath the basket to the team who just shot the free-throws because of the flagrant foul.

The throw-in following the technical foul would be administered at the division line.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by representing

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't deal with it then because at the time I didn't know exactly when that player is a bench player and didn't want to wrongfully make the coach sit. I was talking with my partner and the V officials after the game about it. I'm going to be honest about what i would have done, but I now know this isn't correct.

report personal foul
report technical foul
indirect technical to the coach (when table let me know player had 5 fouls, I would've said to the coach that this is his 5th foul, and he had to sit because he was a benched player during the technical situation)
coach sits
two team fouls total for both personal and technical
fouled shooter gets 2 FT, team gets 2 FT
Ball at half-court.

That is what I would have done, but now I know that everything is correct except for the indirect technical to coach and that he sits. I also probably should give the player a flagrant technical foul instead of a technical. Then, the ball would be taken out-of-bounds underneath the basket to the team who just shot the free-throws because of the flagrant foul.

does this clear things up (not sarcastic)?

Didn't you indicate that the player bumped you before you reported the personal foul? If so, above in red is not correct.

And I don't have a clue how you came up with this.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Didn't you indicate that the player bumped you before you reported the personal foul? If so, above in red is not correct.

He mentioned that the part in red was what he would have done then but now knows the err of his ways. The rest speaks for itself. One step forward, two steps back...

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Smitty

He mentioned that the part in red was what he would have done then but now knows the err of his ways. The rest speaks for itself. One step forward, two steps back...

Ah, I see that now. Thanks. This thread is confusing me.

[representing]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Didn't you indicate that the player bumped you before you reported the personal foul? If so, above in red is not correct.

And I don't have a clue how you came up with this.

What's wrong with blue? I would like your clarification please.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by representing

What's wrong with blue? I would like your clarification please.

You state you would inbound the ball under the basket. Why?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Didn't you indicate that the player bumped you before you reported the personal foul? If so, above in red is not correct.

And I don't have a clue how you came up with this.

Yes, it's laughably bad.

representing needs to step back and try to understand how many rules he's missed in this one scenario:

(1) It would be a flagrant technical foul. It's still a technical, so the throw-in is at the division line.

(2) Since the coach hadn't been notified of the player's 5th foul, he's not bench personnel at the time of the flagrant technical, so the coach does not receive an indirect technical foul.

We ran into a parent in the parking lot who seemed to be waiting for us. He was quite complimentary, even though his kid's team lost by 18 points -- he was amazed at how much "stress" we must be under. I actually laughed and said that I probably feel the least stress of anyone out there.

[representing]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Yes, it's laughably bad.

representing needs to step back and try to understand how many rules he's missed in this one scenario:

(1) It would be a flagrant technical foul. It's still a technical, so the throw-in is at the division line.

(2) Since the coach hadn't been notified of the player's 5th foul, he's not bench personnel at the time of the flagrant technical, so the coach does not receive an indirect technical foul.

We ran into a parent in the parking lot who seemed to be waiting for us. He was quite complimentary, even though his kid's team lost by 18 points -- he was amazed at how much "stress" we must be under. I actually laughed and said that I probably feel the least stress of anyone out there.

Oh, really? I thought Flagrant technical and personal fouls were all still under the classification of Flagrant, which would put the ball at POI. Thanks for correcting me. But I can't find anything in the book about the difference between flagrant personal and flagrant technical.

EDIT: I said I was wrong about number 2 in my post about the situation. YOU should read everything, so you wouldn't make a statement like that.

[tomegun]

It doesn't really clear things up because I wasn't looking for step-by-step actions. You either do or you don't.