T Up a Fan?!?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by representing

When my sister played varsity basketball, my mom was the type to run onto the court if she was seriously hurt. Referring back to when I mentioned my sister was knocked out for just a few seconds, that was the only time (that I know of) that my mom actually went down onto the court to check on her. For me, I'm ok with it as long as it is just one person and it has to be a mom, dad or guardian (only because I don't want someone younger claiming to be a brother, sister, etc. and actually just be a fan with no relations). But like some have said, let GM manage with it and get away from the injured player once a coach or trainer comes to the player.

I've learned this from veteran officials... don't get in between an overprotective mother or father and her/his kid. That will cause even more problems or grief.

Absolutely NOT!
Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

I don't know whether anybody signed any kind of waiver or not, but whether they did or didn't, I don't see how that relates to anything in the rule book.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't know whether anybody signed any kind of waiver or not, but whether they did or didn't, I don't see how that relates to anything in the rule book.

Here's what the general wording is on the Medical Emergency Authorization/Consent to treat form (thois text is from the sample form off the WIAA Website):

"As Parent or Legal Guardian, I authorize the team physician or, in his absence, a qualified physician to examine the above-named student and in the event of injury to administer emergency care and to arrange for any consultation by a specialist, including a surgeon, he deems necessary to insure proper care of any injury. Every effort will be made to contact parent or guardian to explain the nature of the problem prior to any involved treatment."

I know in WIAA Athletics, any person involved as a participant has to have this form on file with school before being allow to compete. In some school districts, I believe this also involves practices.

Additional on this form, the emergency contact info is required as well as the name of the physician responsible for the primary care of the student-athlete.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Here's what the general wording is on the Medical Emergency Authorization/Consent to treat form (thois text is from the sample form off the WIAA Website):

"As Parent or Legal Guardian, I authorize the team physician or, in his absence, a qualified physician to examine the above-named student and in the event of injury to administer emergency care and to arrange for any consultation by a specialist, including a surgeon, he deems necessary to insure proper care of any injury. Every effort will be made to contact parent or guardian to explain the nature of the problem prior to any involved treatment."

I know in WIAA Athletics, any person involved as a participant has to have this form on file with school before being allow to compete. In some school districts, I believe this also involves practices.

Additional on this form, the emergency contact info is required as well as the name of the physician responsible for the primary care of the student-athlete.

I don't see anything here about the parent being restricted from coming on the floor or doing anything else.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Here's what the general wording is on the Medical Emergency Authorization/Consent to treat form (thois text is from the sample form off the WIAA Website):

"As Parent or Legal Guardian, I authorize the team physician or, in his absence, a qualified physician to examine the above-named student and in the event of injury to administer emergency care and to arrange for any consultation by a specialist, including a surgeon, he deems necessary to insure proper care of any injury. Every effort will be made to contact parent or guardian to explain the nature of the problem prior to any involved treatment."

I know in WIAA Athletics, any person involved as a participant has to have this form on file with school before being allow to compete. In some school districts, I believe this also involves practices.

Additional on this form, the emergency contact info is required as well as the name of the physician responsible for the primary care of the student-athlete.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't see anything here about the parent being restricted from coming on the floor or doing anything else.

How I am reading the way the form is written, basically as long as the student-athlete is on the field/court for competition then all medical decisions are left up to the medical personnel present. Only after the student-athlete is off the field/court, can a parent become involved (basically behind the scenes).

Depending on the severity of the injury, the student-athlete will sit out the rest of that game, & then the next day the parent takes the student-athlete in to see their PCP.

How should a floor official react in a situation like the articles below, if a parent came out onto the floor?

Texas A&M's Derrick Roland injury video hits web as Aggies senior suffers gruesome injury

Texas A&M Aggies' Derrick Roland suffers gruesome broken leg - ESPN

Basically it sounds like from the various responses & the reaction of the parent(s) the response would vary.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How I am reading the way the form is written, basically as long as the student-athlete is on the field/court for competition then all medical decisions are left up to the medical personnel present. Only after the student-athlete is off the field/court, can a parent become involved (basically behind the scenes).

I don't read anything that sounds remotely like that. Treatment is authorized. Nothing is said about the treatment provided by said physicians being exclusive, while on the court or anywhere else.

I am not an attorney, but what I read is basically intended to free all persons related to the team from liability if there is a problem with treatment of the injury.

If Mom and Dad come out and scoop up the kid, I see nothing to prohibit them checking him out on the spot, taking him to the emergency room, or anything in between.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Absolutely NOT!
Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

I may have signed a waiver allowing other qualified personnel to attend to my child if s/he is injured during a sporting activity, but I will not have signed away my rights as a parent to tend to my child.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I may have signed a waiver allowing other qualified personnel to attend to my child if s/he is injured during a sporting activity, but I will not have signed away my rights as a parent to tend to my child.

If my kid is injured that badly, I won't care to watch the rest of the game anyway.

That said, if the parent comes down and just deals with their child, I'll let GM make the call.

If the parent comes down and uses that opportunity to inform me of all the ways my mother went wrong when I was a child, I will make the call.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That said, if the parent comes down and just deals with their child, I'll let GM make the call.

If the parent comes down and uses that opportunity to inform me of all the ways my mother went wrong when I was a child, I will make the call.

Very well put.

[Back In The Saddle]

Totally agree. However, once I've beckoned the coach, I get as far away as I can get and remain there, hidden in plain sight, until it's time to resume my duties. Or until forced to get involved somehow, in which case I would take care of business.

My only objection here is to the ridiculous notion that by signing a medical waiver I am somehow prohibited from being directly involved in caring for my injured child.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If my kid is injured that badly, I won't care to watch the rest of the game anyway.

That said, if the parent comes down and just deals with their child, I'll let GM make the call.

If the parent comes down and uses that opportunity to inform me of all the ways my mother went wrong when I was a child, I will make the call.

I think this says it best! Deal with what needs to be dealt with, don't go looking for grief. Remember emotions will be very high in these situations.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Absolutely NOT!
Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

So a stupid basketball game is more important than a parent tending to their injured child. Not in this universe. How many kids do you have, anyway? None?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Absolutely NOT!
Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

That is complete and utter BS. Only an idiot would try to prevent a parent from attending to their child when injured, or worse you, eject the parent for doing so.

Nevada, you totally missed the mark on this one.

**To all the newbies reading this thread, please be aware: NevadaRef can be a great source of information. But in some situations, he goes over the edge and tries to fit case plays and interps into situations where they don't work. In other situations, such as this one, he is completely and totally wrong in his approach. This maybe the poorest game management approach I have ever seen an official on this or any other board express. BTW, I also think it's BS. No way he ever pulls this stunt.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That is complete and utter BS. Only an idiot would try to prevent a parent from attending to their child when injured, or worse you, eject the parent for doing so.

Just to be clear on my position on this matter.
I'm not going to say a word to the parent or anyone who comes down out of the stands. I'm not going to try to prevent such a person from doing anything. However, I am going to insist that the boundaries of the playing area are respected and reserved for the participants. The spectators are to KEEP OUT. If that is not done, then I will penalize the team whose followers are responsible for that breach.

I have no problem if game management decides to bring in a parent or guardian down for consultation after deciding that an injury is very serious and this is done in the proper manner. However, I'm not going to suffer fools who rush in at the first cry from Johnny or Suzie.

We simply cannot have people coming out of the stands and onto the court whenever they please.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Just to be clear on my position on this matter.
I'm not going to say a word to the parent or anyone who comes down out of the stands. I'm not going to try to prevent such a person from doing anything. However, I am going to insist that the boundaries of the playing area are respected and reserved for the participants. The spectators are to KEEP OUT. If that is not done, then I will penalize the team whose followers are responsible for that breach.

I have no problem if game management decides to bring in a parent or guardian down for consultation after deciding that an injury is very serious and this is done in the proper manner. However, I'm not going to suffer fools who rush in at the first cry from Johnny or Suzie.

We simply cannot have people coming out of the stands and onto the court whenever they please.

So, even though you have taken a slight step back on this matter, if the kid falls in a screaming mass and the parent quickly steps out to attend without first being properly identified, you still would consider this to be "conduct which interferes with the orderly progress of the game?"