T Up a Fan?!? - Page 3

just another ref · #31 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 04:18am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You can be involved as long as you remain outside of the playing area. You can be consulted by those who are present to provide such care.

In the event that the injury is deemed serious, it makes sense to have your participation, but you aren't sticking around for the rest of the contest if you elect to enter the playing area and I am one of the officials.

And on top of this, you would call a team technical?

Nevadaref · #32 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 04:29am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

And on top of this, you would call a team technical?

If the person came out without the permission of game management--absolutely.

just another ref · #33 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 04:34am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the person came out without the permission of game management--absolutely.

I may be wrong again, but I think I speak for us all when I say.......wow.

chseagle · #34 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 04:59am

What about if the parent requesting to come out onto the court is a Dr./EMT/Nurse or other medical personnel?

What if the student-athlete has several allergies to medications that the parent knows about, but not the coach?

Not every coach is going to know the exact medical histories of all their players, nor will they have such files handy in case of such a situation.

There are extenuating circumstances that would allow parents to come out onto the court in a medical emergency.

Nevadaref · #35 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 05:03am

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Originally Posted by chseagle

What about if the parent requesting to come out onto the court is a Dr./EMT/Nurse or other medical personnel?

What if the student-athlete has several allergies to medications that the parent knows about, but not the coach?

Not every coach is going to know the exact medical histories of all their players, nor will they have such files handy in case of such a situation.

There are extenuating circumstances that would allow parents to come out onto the court in a medical emergency.

But not rush out on his/her own without proper authorization.

Injuries happen in HS sports. Parents need to understand that when they give permission for their child to participate.

Smitty · #36 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 09:43am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

I may be wrong again, but I think I speak for us all when I say.......wow.

Double that wow. But it doesn't surprise me. Nevada says some pretty whacky things. This is just another one.

26 Year Gap · #37 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:05am

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Originally Posted by Smitty

Double that wow. But it doesn't surprise me. Nevada says some pretty whacky things. This is just another one.

I am sure mbyron reviewed the context of the spelling and gave it his blessing by omission.

SmokeEater · #38 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:33am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If my kid is injured that badly, I won't care to watch the rest of the game anyway.

That said, if the parent comes down and just deals with their child, I'll let GM make the call.

If the parent comes down and uses that opportunity to inform me of all the ways my mother went wrong when I was a child, I will make the call.

I think this says it best! Deal with what needs to be dealt with, don't go looking for grief. Remember emotions will be very high in these situations.

Smitty · #39 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:34am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I am sure mbyron reviewed the context of the spelling and gave it his blessing by omission.

I could not possibly care any less....

Adam · #40 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the person came out without the permission of game management--absolutely.

I would prefer to allow GM to deal with it. That seems to be the intent of 2-8-1.

Back In The Saddle · #41 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the person came out without the permission of game management--absolutely.

OOO^∞

jdw3018 · #42 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:30pm

I have to admit to being surprised by Nevada's take on this. How do we, as officials, judge who is authorized by game management to tend to injuries? If someone comes out of the stands, they could be a local doctor who always helps with injuries as easily as a parent.

I'm with BITS in that I beckon and get away. Game management can take care of who comes on the court.

I'm always interested in how we approach things. Sometimes high school athletics are an extension of the classroom, a place for education where we enforce good sportsmanship and encourage teamwork and positive emotion. Other times we treat the game as so sacrosanct that we would (ask game management to) eject a parent who comes to the court to tend to an injured child and charge that team with a technical foul.

Mark Padgett · #43 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Absolutely NOT!

Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

So a stupid basketball game is more important than a parent tending to their injured child. Not in this universe. How many kids do you have, anyway? None?

BktBallRef · #44 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Absolutely NOT!

Each of these parents have signed medical waivers in order for their children to play on the team. During the contest someone else is to tend to them. So as soon as mommy or daddy steps onto the court a one-way ticket to the parking lot has been earned.

That is complete and utter BS. Only an idiot would try to prevent a parent from attending to their child when injured, or worse you, eject the parent for doing so.

Nevada, you totally missed the mark on this one.

**To all the newbies reading this thread, please be aware: NevadaRef can be a great source of information. But in some situations, he goes over the edge and tries to fit case plays and interps into situations where they don't work. In other situations, such as this one, he is completely and totally wrong in his approach. This maybe the poorest game management approach I have ever seen an official on this or any other board express. BTW, I also think it's BS. No way he ever pulls this stunt.

BktBallRef · #45 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 24, 2009, 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by offici88

GV last night with a near first...almost had to whack a fan. I look forward to the fodder and clarifications.

Sit: Held ball, partner whistle, white lets go, girl for green hits the deck, starts crying and holding elbow she landed on. I wait a moment to see if she's getting up, then beckon green coach to floor. Before the coach reaches the girl a guy comes from the stands on his way to the girl--must be a parent (Great!).

Parent has a few choice words for me about the physical play and what I should be calling. I give him (parent now on the floor) the "one more word" ultimatum as it was appropriate.

(A)Is the parent a fan since he came from the stands?
(B)Is he bench personnel since he cam to the court?

If I had whacked the parent, what's the proper way to charge the T?

So glad it didn't come to actually having to whack a fan for stupidity.

No, it was not appropriate to give the fan an ultimatum. You should never back yourself into such a corner with a coach, player, or fan.

Yes, the parent is a fan, no matter what he does.

No, he is not bench personnel.

To whack the fan would have been stupidity, as it's only going to rein more crap down on top of you.

Once someone is attending the player, back away as far as you need to. It could be an emotional situation, get way from it. Let game management handle the fan.

Handle the situation with some maturity and calm, not with emotion.