Questioning my T

[Smitty]

I think it's too easy to say "I would have T'd earlier". In sub-varsity games - especially when one team is heavily overmatched, some of us do sway the advantage/disadvantage line pretty far to one side or another. That can get us into a situation like the OP. I think you gave as much leeway as you could and ultimately the coach gave you no choice. Did it help the game? Probably not, but sometimes you just have to take care of business. I'm not sure a T at any time in that kind of a game helps the game, but sometimes they just give you no other choice.

[fiasco]

I think the frustrating thing for me is I hate the perception that I am gunning for a coach. When you have a coach like this guy, it's almost impossible to get away from that perception.

Either you let him ride you like a donkey all night (which I'm not willing to do) or you look (to any casual observer of the game) like you're out to get him.

I realize we're not supposed to care "how it looks," but I'm still new and trying to get this perception out of the back of my mind, especially when I whack him and I'm getting multiple people from the stands screaming "That's why you're still reffing JV ball!!!"

I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but some nights, it just does.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I realize we're not supposed to care "how it looks," but I'm still new and trying to get this perception out of the back of my mind, especially when I whack him and I'm getting multiple people from the stands screaming "That's why you're still reffing JV ball!!!"

I know it is hard to tune out the fans but take to heart that you're the one doing it out there, not them. It's really easy to sit back and yap. It's a bit more difficult to actually go out and do it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I think the frustrating thing for me is I hate the perception that I am gunning for a coach. When you have a coach like this guy, it's almost impossible to get away from that perception.

Either you let him ride you like a donkey all night (which I'm not willing to do) or you look (to any casual observer of the game) like you're out to get him.

I realize we're not supposed to care "how it looks," but I'm still new and trying to get this perception out of the back of my mind, especially when I whack him and I'm getting multiple people from the stands screaming "That's why you're still reffing JV ball!!!"

I know I shouldn't let it affect me, but some nights, it just does.

Just report it like any other foul and take the emotion out of it. Do not stare at the guy. Call it, report it and change places with your partner who will now give him the sit down speech.

I had one about 2 weeks ago. The guy was chirping like crazy early in the game. My back was to him as trail and I said loud enough for him to hear "That's enough, coach." I advised my partner at the next break, which was not a long time. I was then reporting a foul on one of his players and he started up again in a loud voice and was standing up and it was difficult to report the foul uninterrupted. I finished reporting the foul, blew my whistle, calmly made the T sign and we had no more problems the rest of the night. About 3 minutes into the 2nd qtr.

The more games you do, the more confidence you will have. And it will not look like you are gunning for anyone.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Just report it like any other foul and take the emotion out of it. Do not stare at the guy. Call it, report it and change places with your partner who will now give him the sit down speech.

I had one about 2 weeks ago. The guy was chirping like crazy early in the game. My back was to him as trail and I said loud enough for him to hear "That's enough, coach." I advised my partner at the next break, which was not a long time. I was then reporting a foul on one of his players and he started up again in a loud voice and was standing up and it was difficult to report the foul uninterrupted. I finished reporting the foul, blew my whistle, calmly made the T sign and we had no more problems the rest of the night. About 3 minutes into the 2nd qtr.

The more games you do, the more confidence you will have. And it will not look like you are gunning for anyone.

I don't think confidence is the problem. I was evaluated just the other night by one of the members of our board who said my confidence is varsity-level. And I did just that on reporting the T. I signaled to the bench, told my partner "Go talk to him" and went down and started administering the free throws while everyone yelled at me. No stare down, no emotion.

I would just rather handle the situation better next time so the perception of "gunning" for the coach isn't there. Perhaps a quicker T would accomplish that.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I don't think confidence is the problem. I was evaluated just the other night by one of the members of our board who said my confidence is varsity-level. And I did just that on reporting the T. I signaled to the bench, told my partner "Go talk to him" and went down and started administering the free throws while everyone yelled at me. No stare down, no emotion.

I would just rather handle the situation better next time so the perception of "gunning" for the coach isn't there. Perhaps a quicker T would accomplish that.

I think you will find that you will be much more relaxed with a quicker T. Doesn't mean you quick T everyone, but some coaches need one so they can focus on coaching. The games get better, as mine did, once the ABS level was reached.

[mathuc]

I had a game a few weeks ago where I wish I would have given the head coach a T much earlier in the game as he was polite and professional the rest of the game after being a howler monkey for the first 3+ quarters (and his team went on a huge run after the T and won the game). He didn't have an assistant so he knew he was on thin ice and the run by his team meant a loss if he got tossed... so it was nice that he turned his demeanor around after the T. We talked after the game and he asked why he didn't get a warning. I told him he didn't deserve a warning for what he said, and we shook hands and that was that. Something to learn from.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by mathuc

I told him he didn't deserve a warning for what he said, and we shook hands and that was that. Something to learn from.

My response to this is always "I've never read anything in the rule book about a technical warning, just a technical foul."

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by mathuc

We talked after the game and he asked why he didn't get a warning.

Me : Coach that was your warning "


Me thinking to myself : Do it again and you're on your way to the parking lot.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

The guy was chirping like crazy early in the game. My back was to him as trail and I said loud enough for him to hear "That's enough, coach."

I don't really have a problem with this, but then again I think I'm averaging a little over one T a game in high school games this season. I'm trying to take the nice approach and ask the coach to let the situation go. Of course, I don't mind having the perception of an official who will call a T...

Originally Posted by fiasco

I would just rather handle the situation better next time so the perception of "gunning" for the coach isn't there. Perhaps a quicker T would accomplish that.

I think you are worried about perception too much. What about the perception that a coach can act in an unsporting manner during a scholastic event? The coach does it and then the players start to take adopt the same behavior. If we took care of unsporting behavior more, it would clean up the game. I was in a college conference where Ts flew around all the time and unsporting behavior was decreased. It works.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't really have a problem with this, but then again I think I'm averaging a little over one T a game in high school games this season. I'm trying to take the nice approach and ask the coach to let the situation go. Of course, I don't mind having the perception of an official who will call a T...



I think you are worried about perception too much. What about the perception that a coach can act in an unsporting manner during a scholastic event? The coach does it and then the players start to take adopt the same behavior. If we took care of unsporting behavior more, it would clean up the game. I was in a college conference where Ts flew around all the time and unsporting behavior was decreased. It works.

Wow, I really hope that I never have to be calling Ts almost as frequently as timeouts during a game to keep a game under control.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't really have a problem with this, but then again I think I'm averaging a little over one T a game in high school games this season. I'm trying to take the nice approach and ask the coach to let the situation go. Of course, I don't mind having the perception of an official who will call a T...

If it is true that you are averaging more than 1 T per game in HS, you must be reffing in "The League from Hell."

I average about 2 a season. One for each gender.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I average about 2 a season. One for each gender.

If you worked in Portland, you'd have to average 4 per season to average one for each gender.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[constable]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

If it is true that you are averaging more than 1 T per game in HS, you must be reffing in "The League from Hell."

I average about 2 a season. One for each gender.

Hell I was doing a senior V game the other week and we had 4 in that game.

one kid asked me if I was ****ing serious after I called a foul on him, then my partner called a double T for chirping and pushing during a dead ball, then some one mouthed off to him in the 4th.

2 T's a year sounds like a cake walk!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Wow, I really hope that I never have to be calling Ts almost as frequently as timeouts during a game to keep a game under control.

Originally Posted by Scratch85

If it is true that you are averaging more than 1 T per game in HS, you must be reffing in "The League from Hell."

I average about 2 a season. One for each gender.

I have been to Vegas, Washington DC, Mississippi and back to Vegas. 2 Ts a season just isn't feasible.

Most of the Ts I call are related to unsporting acts - a pet peeve of mine in high school games. I'm always amazed at the fact that the same problem doesn't exist as much in college games where coaches have more at stake.