Sick head coach

[Back In The Saddle]

Silly coach ought to know better than to plan a date for a game night. What was he thinking?

[Ignats75]

This is a bit of a long story but is Germaine to this discussion. My daughter plays varsity basketball. I tend to do mostly JV games so I can hustle over to watch her games when I'm done. Last year I walked into the gym during a time out. The administering official is someone I've worked with quite a few times. He calls me over to ask my opinion. The Hc for the other team is pregnant and not feeling well, so she asked if her AC could be the HC instead. He told her sure as long as he didn't hear from her all night. apparently my daughter's HC is upset. Apparently during the state tourney last year she asked for the same courtesy and the R told her no.

As soon as the game was over, both the AC and HC made a beeline for me to see what I thought. I agreed with how my buddy handled it but told them I would check with authorities. I spoke to 3 different assignors and 1 state rules interpretor and got 2 different answers.
One said there should be no courtesy, and all the others agreed with my buddy.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

This is a bit of a long story but is Germaine to this discussion.

Really? Really. Is it Tito, too?

Ask your interpreter which rule requires the school's "Head Basketball Coach" to be the head coach for every (or indeed any) game. The title and the function are distinct.

As long as they don't try to arrogate privileges that they've given up for the night, I have no problem with it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

This is a bit of a long story but is Germaine to this discussion. My daughter plays varsity basketball. I tend to do mostly JV games so I can hustle over to watch her games when I'm done. Last year I walked into the gym during a time out. The administering official is someone I've worked with quite a few times. He calls me over to ask my opinion. The Hc for the other team is pregnant and not feeling well, so she asked if her AC could be the HC instead. He told her sure as long as he didn't hear from her all night. apparently my daughter's HC is upset. Apparently during the state tourney last year she asked for the same courtesy and the R told her no.

As soon as the game was over, both the AC and HC made a beeline for me to see what I thought. I agreed with how my buddy handled it but told them I would check with authorities. I spoke to 3 different assignors and 1 state rules interpretor and got 2 different answers.
One said there should be no courtesy, and all the others agreed with my buddy.

I would have done as the referee at the State Tournament did. There is more to this than what officials care about. There are contracts and liability concerns. I'm sure that the school signs a contract with the person to be the head coach of the varsity team. I'm sure that the school has the students who make the team sign medical waivers in case a decision needs to be made regarding their health at a game site without their parents or guardians around. Changing who is the head coach and who attends the pregame meeting may have consequences in these areas. I'm not going to be the person who gets in the middle of that situation. Tell the school AD to sort it out. As far as I'm concerned, if the person with the contract is able to be on the bench, then that person is the Head Coach.

Perhaps this is why that official was working the State Tournament.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would have done as the referee at the State Tournament did. There is more to this than what officials care about. There are contracts and liability concerns. I'm sure that the school signs a contract with the person to be the head coach of the varsity team. I'm sure that the school has the students who make the team sign medical waivers in case a decision needs to be made regarding their health at a game site without their parents or guardians around. Changing who is the head coach and who attends the pregame meeting may have consequences in these areas. I'm not going to be the person who gets in the middle of that situation. Tell the school AD to sort it out. As far as I'm concerned, if the person with the contract is able to be on the bench, then that person is the Head Coach.

Perhaps this is why that official was working the State Tournament.

Reviewing contracts isn't in my job description. As long as I have 1 head coach for the game, and the let me know who it is, I'm ok with that.

If somebody else wants to make a stink about a "replacement" head coach, then they can, but there is nothing in the rules requiring a head coach be paid, or that they are the head coach for every game. Therefore, I don't have any business caring why the previous head coach isn't going to be the head coach for this game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

Reviewing contracts isn't in my job description. As long as I have 1 head coach for the game, and the let me know who it is, I'm ok with that.

If somebody else wants to make a stink about a "replacement" head coach, then they can, but there is nothing in the rules requiring a head coach be paid, or that they are the head coach for every game. Therefore, I don't have any business caring why the previous head coach isn't going to be the head coach for this game.

What part of "There is more to this than what officials care about," did you not understand?

Obviously, officials don't care who the team puts forward as the head coach, but the state association, the league directorship, the school AD, etc. may all care very much about such a designation.

I would think that the referee for the State Tournament game went and found someone from the state office and asked for a decision. That would be the proper course of action to take.

Again this is why some officials get to work games at those levels and others do not. Quite simply they care and are concerned about more than themselves.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What part of "There is more to this than what officials care about," did you not understand?

Obviously, officials don't care who the team puts for as the head coach, but the state association, the league directorship, the school AD, etc. may all care very much about such a designation.

I would think that the referee for the State Tournament game went and found someone from the state office and asked for a decision. That would be the proper course of action to take.

Again this is why some officials get to work games at those levels and others do not. Quite simply they care and are concerned about more than themselves.

First of all, you deserve a semantic clarification. By state tournament, I didn't mean "State Finals". I was using the generic term which in Ohio means the entire tournment that starts at the sectional level and every school participates in. Second, I know who the official was that disallowed it, and he is universally regarded as an overly officious, arrogant imbecile who thinks his poop doesn't stink but has been around so long and is such a political hack, he scores high in the politics department which nets him assignments in the tournament. The way Ohio picks and assigns officials is a corrupted and idiotic process. SO your assumption on why he did what he did was way off base. He didn't consult anyone. Because, if he did, he would've been told by the state rules interpretor to allow the switch.

Your contract and laiblility issues are red herrings. If HC goes into labor an can't coach the rest of the year, should they cancel the rest of the season because the HC can't be there? Ridiculous.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

First of all, you deserve a semantic clarification. By state tournament, I didn't mean "State Finals". I was using the generic term which in Ohio means the entire tournment that starts at the sectional level and every school participates in. Second, I know who the official was that disallowed it, and he is universally regarded as an overly officious, arrogant imbecile who thinks his poop doesn't stink but has been around so long and is such a political hack, he scores high in the politics department which nets him assignments in the tournament. The way Ohio picks and assigns officials is a corrupted and idiotic process. SO your assumption on why he did what he did was way off base. He didn't consult anyone. Because, if he did, he would've been told by the state rules interpretor to allow the switch.

Sorry that the process for selecting postseason officials in your area is so corrupt and unfair. Obviously, that is your opinion. Since I have no such information about how Ohio does this, other than what MTD posts, I have to assume that the people who get those games deserve them and handle the situations aptly.
Why would your state rule interpreter say to allow the switch? How can you be so sure that he would say to do that? Upon what basis would he make that ruling?

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Your contract and laiblility issues are red herrings.

A red herring is an item which diverts attention from actual significance. Contracts and liability are not items without significance.

Originally Posted by Ignats75

If HC goes into labor an can't coach the rest of the year, should they cancel the rest of the season because the HC can't be there? Ridiculous.

No one has said that would be the case. One would have to believe that the school would replace her as the head coach.

BTW say hello to Germaine for the rest of us when you see him.