Violation or not?

[VaCoach]

Two situations, but somewhat similar. Are one or both a violation?

1. Can a player in his backcourt who has picked up his dribble, throw the ball off of his opponent's backboard, then catch and dribble again?

2. 1. Can a player in his frontcourt who has picked up his dribble, throw the ball off of his backboard, then catch and dribble again?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

Two situations, but somewhat similar. Are one or both a violation?

1. Can a player in his backcourt who has picked up his dribble, throw the ball off of his opponent's backboard, then catch and dribble again?

2. 1. Can a player in his frontcourt who has picked up his dribble, throw the ball off of his backboard, then catch and dribble again?

Casebook 4.15.4C.
1. No
2. Perhaps, assuming it is considered a "try"

[Thumper68]

+ 1 with Freddy. I just read this in the case book last night.

[VaCoach]

I agree with you, I thought the only way he could dribble again if he actually tries a shot, which hits backboard or rim and then he can rebound the ball and dribble again. BUT, check out Case Book, page 73, "Dribble Rule" 9.5 situation and see if that allows player to throw the ball off his own backboard. This is what has caused my question.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

BUT, check out Case Book, page 73, "Dribble Rule" 9.5 situation and see if that allows player to throw the ball off his own backboard. This is what has caused my question.

I see why you're asking. The rationale given in that case ("a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s 'equipment' and may be used") is unrelated to the issue of whether A1 has made a try.

Nothing in the definition of 'dribble' (4-15) or 'illegal dribble' (9-5) supports this rationale. So where is it?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I see why you're asking. The rationale given in that case ("a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s 'equipment' and may be used") is unrelated to the issue of whether A1 has made a try.

Nothing in the definition of 'dribble' (4-15) or 'illegal dribble' (9-5) supports this rationale. So where is it?

It just is.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

I agree with you, I thought the only way he could dribble again if he actually tries a shot, which hits backboard or rim.......

To be considered a "try", the ball does not have to hit the backboard or rim. The only qualification is that, in the opinion of the official, it was a legitimate try for goal.

Definitely, one of the most misunderstood rules. Right BillyBob, er, I mean BillyMac?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

To be considered a "try", the ball does not have to hit the backboard or rim. The only qualification is that, in the opinion of the official, it was a legitimate try for goal.

Definitely, one of the most misunderstood rules. Right BillyBob, er, I mean BillyMac?

Yep, and the flip side of this is 99% of the time when it hits the backboard or rim, it's considered a try regardless of the player's intent.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, and the flip side of this is 99% of the time when it hits the backboard or rim, it's considered a try regardless of the player's intent.

I'm fine with that. But that's not the rationale given in 9.5, which says that the pass off one's own backboard is allowed because it's team "equipment."

[Adam]

I really don't get that either, to be honest.

[VaCoach]

I must agree with Snaqwells, the word "equipment" in the case book, makes no sense to me. I have always thought that a "try for goal" allows the player to rebound and dribble again, regardless of did it hit the backboard or not. Case book says to throw the ball against the backboard will allow and offensive player to dribble again. I need clarification on is this the "rule" or not!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

I must agree with Snaqwells, the word "equipment" in the case book, makes no sense to me. I have always thought that a "try for goal" allows the player to rebound and dribble again, regardless of did it hit the backboard or not. Case book says to throw the ball against the backboard will allow and offensive player to dribble again. I need clarification on is this the "rule" or not!!

Yes, it's the rule.

[26 Year Gap]

Props to the player if he can do that without one of the other nine players getting to the ball first.

[dbking]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I see why you're asking. The rationale given in that case ("a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s 'equipment' and may be used") is unrelated to the issue of whether A1 has made a try.

Nothing in the definition of 'dribble' (4-15) or 'illegal dribble' (9-5) supports this rationale. So where is it?

This is a multi rule quote and has led to many mis understandings:

Rules in reference here:

9-5
4-31
4-41
4-15

The own equipment is referenced by the words "own goal" in 4-41. It can not be a shot ot opponents goal and this is part of the floor as defined by 4-15 and 4-13

[VaCoach]

dbking, thanks for your reply and the information. Rule 9, section 5 states, "A player shall not dribble a second time after his first dribble has ended, unless it is after he has lost control because of;
1. A try for goal (my point on this whole situation)
2. A touch by opponent
3. A pass or fumble that was then touch by an opponent.

Why wouldn't there be a number 4? A pass off of his own backboard which he then catches would allow him to dribble again.

I am back to the beginning, I still think if he does not try a shot, this is a violation.