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I have ontological objections to this claim.
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You didn't even ask what they were.
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I have to admit I wondered what it had to do with the existence of God. Then I realized, "It's Monday. Never mind."

I am curious, though.
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I have to admit I wondered what it had to do with the existence of God. Then I realized, "It's Monday. Never mind."

I am curious, though.
Numbers can't be words, though we do have words that refer to numbers (such as 'one' and 'seventy-two').

I thought about ignoring your category error and realized, "it's Monday, I'd better not."
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Agree with both. When I do say something, it's "let it hit." Anything involving schools or high school aged players, the only words I use are those that symbolize numbers plus the occasional "and" when required.
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I'm gratified that you're working so hard just to please me, so it seems a little bit petty to say no. Words don't symbolize numbers, numerals do. But you're getting warmer!
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I'm gratified that you're working so hard just to please me, so it seems a little bit petty to say no. Words don't symbolize numbers, numerals do. But you're getting warmer!
Words are vocal symbols of ideas, entities, events, etc. I disagree.

I thought about correcting that to "refer to" rather than "symbolize," but where's the rhetorical fun in that?
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Hmmm, so I get that two is an abstract mathematical concept. I get that "2" is a numeral, that represents the abstract concept of two.

But "two" is, in my tiny little mind, "two" is the English language written representation of either "2" or two. Or both. Which makes it, in a word, a word.
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Hmmm, so I get that two is an abstract mathematical concept. I get that "2" is a numeral, that represents the abstract concept of two.

But "two" is, in my tiny little mind, "two" is the English language written representation of either "2" or two. Or both. Which makes it, in a word, a word.
Hey, that's good!

The word 'two' is the English word that refers to the number two, which is an abstract object. The concept is the meaning of the word, and is also distinct from the object. (To see why, imagine that there had never been any humans at all, and so no languages -- the number two would still exist, so it must be distinct from any concept.)

We can talk about the object -- the number -- in different languages, referring to it as 'deux' or 'zwei' or 'dos', etc. But it's one and the same object, no matter which word we use. The unity of the object explains why all of the different words can share the same meaning.

Is that enough semantics for one day?
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Numbers can't be words, though we do have words that refer to numbers (such as 'one' and 'seventy-two').

I thought about ignoring your category error and realized, "it's Monday, I'd better not."
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Hey, that's good!

The word 'two' is the English word that refers to the number two, which is an abstract object. The concept is the meaning of the word, and is also distinct from the object. (To see why, imagine that there had never been any humans at all, and so no languages -- the number two would still exist, so it must be distinct from any concept.)

We can talk about the object -- the number -- in different languages, referring to it as 'deux' or 'zwei' or 'dos', etc. But it's one and the same object, no matter which word we use. The unity of the object explains why all of the different words can share the same meaning.

Is that enough semantics for one day?
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I concur

'" 1 shot"
"2 shots"
"3 shots"
or " 1 and bonus...or 1 and 1"

etc
Depending on the risk of OT, I might say, "4 shots" or "5 shots" or "however many shots until I say stop".
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"however many shots until I say stop".
The NFHS should change the penalty for a direct T on the Head Coach to that.
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The NFHS should change the penalty for a direct T on the Head Coach to that.
I'm in! Where do we vote for that option?
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The word 'two' is the English word that refers to the number two, which is an abstract object. The concept is the meaning of the word, and is also distinct from the object. (To see why, imagine that there had never been any humans at all, and so no languages -- the number two would still exist, so it must be distinct from any concept.) We can talk about the object -- the number -- in different languages, referring to it as 'deux' or 'zwei' or 'dos', etc. But it's one and the same object, no matter which word we use. The unity of the object explains why all of the different words can share the same meaning.
Will this be on the test? God, I hope not.
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