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Old Mon Nov 16, 2009, 12:25pm
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Should you also penalize the visitor for wearing white? Double T. For what it's worth I think you guys handled it the way I would.
Interesting point. You are right, of course: "The torso color shall be white for the home team and a contrasting dark color for the visiting team." (NFHS 3-4-1c) Which just makes the whole situation more of a hassle from a rules perspective.
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Old Mon Nov 16, 2009, 12:48pm
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Wasn't one of the reasons for us issuing the T because schools have had five years to take care of this......?

I had a situation a few months ago where a team traveled a long way to do back to back games. They too had made "an agreement" to where dark for one game and whites for another as they had games at night and in the morning and no where to really wash their uni's from one day to the next.....
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Old Mon Nov 16, 2009, 09:41pm
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Wasn't one of the reasons for us issuing the T because schools have had five years to take care of this?
And, last year, didn't we change it from five technical fouls, for the five starters, to one technical foul to cover the entire team for the whole game, so we didn't have to shoot ten technical free throws to start the game. Ten shots may be an excessive way to start the game, two shots isn't excessive, so unless the team has some written documentation from the state association, we're starting with a a technical foul penalty, and I'm calling my commissioner as soon as I can get to my cell phone.
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 12:32am
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And, last year, didn't we change it from five technical fouls, for the five starters, to one technical foul to cover the entire team for the whole game, so we didn't have to shoot ten technical free throws to start the game. Ten shots may be an excessive way to start the game, two shots isn't excessive, so unless the team has some written documentation from the state association, we're starting with a a technical foul penalty, and I'm calling my commissioner as soon as I can get to my cell phone.
Acutally, you'll not be shooting any as both teams are in violation of the uniform rule at the same time and you don't shoot double T's.
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 01:09am
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So some of you and going to T up the team for not wearing something that they do not have? The schools have it worked out.... its early in the season - probably the first game... it was a mistake from the supplier.... I know what they letter of the rules states, but I also know that we interpret those rules on every call we make every tome we blow the whistle. We've all let a lot of possible T's go uncalled for a lot of reasons. I'm not going to T this up.
What if this was a tourney and we had this situation because of only available clean uniforms? A T reaks too much of the fashion police on this one for me. Start the game without the T. Play it. Notify it. If the state association is unhappy, they'll tell me.
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 07:48am
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Acutally, you'll not be shooting any as both teams are in violation of the uniform rule at the same time and you don't shoot double T's.
Thanks. Good catch.

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What if this was a tourney and we had this situation because of only available clean uniforms?
A tournament could be a different story. Like a mixup on who's the home and visiting team that night on a neutral court.
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 11:27am
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Don't us officials have the power to make decisions on any point not specifically covered in the rules? Just wondering if that would be one of those cases?
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 10:12am
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So some of you and going to T up the team for not wearing something that they do not have? The schools have it worked out.... its early in the season - probably the first game... it was a mistake from the supplier.... I know what they letter of the rules states, but I also know that we interpret those rules on every call we make every tome we blow the whistle. We've all let a lot of possible T's go uncalled for a lot of reasons. I'm not going to T this up.
What if this was a tourney and we had this situation because of only available clean uniforms? A T reaks too much of the fashion police on this one for me. Start the game without the T. Play it. Notify it. If the state association is unhappy, they'll tell me.
Here in VA the rule doesn't apply for tournaments. Also here in VA the schools are directed by the VHSL to notify the VHSL if they have such a uniform problem as stated by the OP. This has been clearly stated to officials and school representatives at each of the mandatory state rules clinics for at least the last 2 years. How about the AD properly doing their jobs and we wouldn't have to deal with it as officials?
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 11:20am
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Just play the game

The AD took care of the problem, both teams were OK with it. Just throw up the ball and PLAY THE GAME!!!! You rulebook fanatics have no common sense. You are officiating a basketball game not performing heart surgery. This is a non issue just move on.
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Old Mon Nov 16, 2009, 12:49pm
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We had this issue last year in Birmingham. Warehose where the teams new white uni's were stored burned to the ground one week prior to the season. We reported the situation to the state and any uniform type penalties would have been on this team. Situation resolved itself in a week.

Give them the one game pass, then consult the state - let them handle it.

I think you did perfect.
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