Foul during shot (off ball)

[MatthewPV]

A1 shots and makes bucket. During shot, (a) A2 is fouled by B2 or (b) B2 is fouled by A2.

I believe that in both situations that the bucket would count, and the ball would be inbounded by the offended team at the POI. Am I correct? Can you point me in the right direction. I have my rulebook here and can't find it. Any help would be helpful.

[MatthewPV]

Also, is A2 if fouled by B2, and the bucket is made...Do they get the ball out of bounds at the POI, or do they get an "And 1" foul shot?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

Also, is A2 if fouled by B2, and the bucket is made...Do they get the ball out of bounds at the POI, or do they get an "And 1" foul shot?

Think about this...

It's certainly possible for A2 to go to the line in this situation. However, not for only one shot ("And 1") - it'd either be bonus or double bonus.

[Back In The Saddle]

You're looking for when the ball becomes dead during a try (a shot attempt). And you're looking for whether that answer is different depending on whether the offense or defense commits the foul.

[MatthewPV]

So in 6-7, it says the ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter lands.

I might not be understanding, but if a foul happens during the try or tap (ball is in air), no matter what, I am calling the foul, but counting the bucket if made and awarding a throw in to the offended team.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

I might not be understanding, but if a foul happens during the try or tap (ball is in air), no matter what, I am calling the foul, but counting the bucket if made and awarding a throw in to the offended team.

What if a team is in the bonus or double bonus? If it's during a try then there's no team control, right? So it doesn't matter who it is on you are going to shoot if they are in the bonus/double bonus, right?

[Daryl H. Long]

Try these rules to help you understand:

6-7-4
6-7-7 (and exceptions listed at end of 6-7)
and let not forget continuation
4-11-1,2, & 3

Also, 4-12 especially
4-12-1 (player control)
4-12-2a (team control)
4-12-3a (team control ends)

Therefore you must know
1 who fouled.
2. when did the foul occur (ie. before or after the release of the ball on try or tap).
3. does team control exist
4. ball dead or still alive.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

A1 shots and makes bucket. During shot, (a) A2 is fouled by B2 or (b) B2 is fouled by A2.

I believe that in both situations that the bucket would count, and the ball would be inbounded by the offended team at the POI. Am I correct? Can you point me in the right direction. I have my rulebook here and can't find it. Any help would be helpful.

I put the only part which you have incorrect in red.

[Daryl H. Long]

In ALL situations in which a foul occurs by either team after the ball is in flight on a try or tap the goal is counted. As Nevada said play is not resumed at POI (incorrect terminology) but according to circumstances dictated by the foul.

Throw in at spot nearest foul
Free throws (1 and 1 or 2)

[Daryl H. Long]

The tricky part is if the foul occurs before ball is in flight on tap or try.

A1 jumps to shoot. If A2 fouls before A1 releases the ball no points will be scored. A1 had player control therefore A2 foul is a team control foul. The ball becomes dead immediately, no FT's, and B put ball in play by Throw in.

A1 jumps to shoot. B2 fouls A2. Because of continuation rule it does not matter if ball has been relesed or not. A1 is allowed to continue the try and the goal will be counted if successful. Play will then resume with either a throw in by A at spot nearest B2's foul or by free throws (1 and 1 or 2).

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

The tricky part is if the foul occurs before ball is in flight on tap or try.

A1 jumps to shoot. If A2 fouls before A1 releases the ball no points will be scored. A1 had player control therefore A2 foul is a team control foul. The ball becomes dead immediately, no FT's, and B put ball in play by Throw in.

A1 jumps to shoot. B2 fouls A2. Because of continuation rule it does not matter if ball has been relesed or not. A1 is allowed to continue the try and the goal will be counted if successful. Play will then resume with either a throw in by A at spot nearest B2's foul or by free throws (1 and 1 or 2).

Just wanted to point out that NFHS does not have continuation. I don't do college so I don't know if college does. NFHS has continuous motion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SAK

Just wanted to point out that NFHS does not have continuation. I don't do college so I don't know if college does. NFHS has continuous motion.

The rule is the same at all levels, even if the semantics are different in the eyes of fans.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by SAK

Just wanted to point out that NFHS does not have continuation. I don't do college so I don't know if college does. NFHS has continuous motion.

Right you are, it's continuous motion in NFHS and NCAA:

"Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight." (NFHS 4-11-1,2)

"Continuous motion applies to a try for field goal or free throw, but shall have no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval that begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight." (NCAA 4-14)

The NFHS definition is more detailed, especially about what constitutes "habitual throwing movement", but the rules appear to be otherwise the same.

[ttaylor40]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

A1 shots and makes bucket. During shot, (a) A2 is fouled by B2 or (b) B2 is fouled by A2.

I believe that in both situations that the bucket would count, and the ball would be inbounded by the offended team at the POI. Am I correct? Can you point me in the right direction. I have my rulebook here and can't find it. Any help would be helpful.

If the ball was in the air, the buket would count in both situations. If B1 fouled, A1 would get a free-throw. If A2 fouled, B would either take the ball out-of-bounds or shoot if in the bonus since there is no team control during a try.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ttaylor40

If the ball was in the air, the buket would count in both situations. If B1 fouled, A1 would get a free-throw. If A2 fouled, B would either take the ball out-of-bounds or shoot if in the bonus since there is no team control during a try.

That is incorrect.

Shots for A & B would only be shot if bonus were in affect. If bonus is not in effect than offended team would get a throw-in.

What I need to find out is if B's throw-in would be anywhere along the endline or would it be a designated spot throw-in.