shot clock test question

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The answer might depend on whether this is NCAAM or NCAAW.

4-11.7: ...continue without a reset when: i. afyter a ... held ball occurs during a throw-in or (women) after an unsuccessful try that does not contact the ring or flange and the AP arrow favors the throw-in team

Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't realized that was a NCAA-W only rule.

On a related note, am I understanding this correctly? From the same rule...

Stop the timing device and continue time without a reset when play begins under the following circumstances:

j. After the ball goes out of bounds and was last touched simultaneously by two opponents, both of whom are either inbounds or out of bounds or when there is doubt as to who last touched the ball.

So if A has possession with 10 seconds left on the SC and A1 fumbles the ball after which A2 and B2 touch it simultaneously before it goes OOB, whichever team is awarded the ball using the AP, that team has only the remaining 10 seconds? Even if it is B?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So if A has possession with 10 seconds left on the SC and A1 fumbles the ball after which A2 and B2 touch it simultaneously before it goes OOB, whichever team is awarded the ball using the AP, that team has only the remaining 10 seconds? Even if it is B?

While the rule could be better written, it only applies if A gets the ball back.

[dahoopref]

In NCAA-M, there is no team control during a shot.

Therefore, when W-55 and B-45 grabbed the ball with no team control the shot clock must be reset.

That being said, if the calling official can "sell" that W-55 grabbed and had possession of the ball ever so slightly first before B-45 did, then there would be no reset of the clock.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

In NCAA-M, there is no team control during a shot.

Is there in NCAAW? Why the difference?

To me, it does not seem equitable to reset in this situation (I know what I think doesn't matter). If the shot clock is around 1-2 seconds, it makes more sense for B to let it go, than to grab it and risk a tie up and a reset for A. Doesn't make much sense... Also a once every million games type situation...

[mutantducky]

yeah kind of seems like it hurts the non-shooting team who may have made a good defensive play to get the held ball called.

I'm out. Happy Halloween. Got some candy too.

[Scrapper1]

The reason that you reset the shot clock in this situation is that -- and most officials don't realize this -- you ALWAYS reset the shot clock after a held ball. That's NCAA Rule 2-14-6c.

The only exceptions to that (in the Men's game) are when there is team control and the defense causes the held ball or when there is team control and we don't know who caused the ball to go out of bounds. This assumes, in both cases, that the offensive team has the arrow, obviously.

[mutantducky]

so back to the first post and this is for high school, would you not reset there? I always thought you do not reset but I got it wrong unless the answer is incorrect.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The reason that you reset the shot clock in this situation is that -- and most officials don't realize this -- you ALWAYS reset the shot clock after a held ball. That's NCAA Rule 2-14-6c.

The only exceptions to that (in the Men's game) are when there is team control and the defense causes the held ball or when there is team control and we don't know who caused the ball to go out of bounds. This assumes, in both cases, that the offensive team has the arrow, obviously.

Rule 2, Section 14?????? What rule book are you looking in? The correct Ruling is 2-11.6.e and if you look at the exceptions to the rule, 2-11.7.i is the exception for NCAA Women. So your statement of ALWAYS is incorrect......